Garou vs Luffy

[Kachon123]

How does Garou, the fist fighter, hurt Luffy with physical blows?
"He evolves"

Turns his bones to dust and cuts him with WICF.

How do his shockwaves effect Luffy when Luffy's haki negates internal vibration shockwaves from Hasshoken?
"He evolves"

His shockwaves cut, as they incorporate WICF.

How does Garou evolve fast enough to go through several layers of precognition AND future sight?
"He evolves"

His showings of evolving past gaps of over 10 times almost instantly. And against someone who is his speed, he's evolved to to the point that they can't even get a chance t counterattack. Luffy's Kenbun would just make Garou evolve even further.

How does Garou's cutting effect Luffy enough when his physical dura>6A slashes and busoshoku stack is even greater?
"He evolves"

Garou's AP is greater than Luffy's, which would keep growing stronger the longer they fight. Luffy's Busoshoku would get pierced worse than Jinbe's did against Who's Who.

What does Garou do if he's hit by constant regeneration negating attacks that destroy his insides?
"He evolves"

There's no proof that he even would get hit.

How does he capitalize on his evolving if he can't even move because of missing organs, several injuries and exhaustion while his opponent also continues to grow, regenerate AND restore his stamina with a laugh
"He continues evolving"

Doesn't get hit lmao.

 

[SnookB]

Are you trolling?

Partially.

Milisecond in real time =/= Milisecond for Garou, FF and PS.
They were having entire sequences and conversations in their own speed, so clearly it took more than a milisecond of just existing to evolve.

 

[Kachon123]

Partially.

Milisecond in real time =/= Milisecond for Garou, FF and PS.
They were having entire sequences and conversations in their own speed, so clearly it took more than a milisecond of just existing to evolve.

The fact that their speed is already equalized means that Garou would evolve similar to how Garou evolved against Darkshine.

 

[Kachon123]

Y'all saying we're wanking Garou's RE and RPL is complete copium, especially considering the fact that most of you have read OPM. This is honestly sad how y'all are gaslighting yourself to believe that Garou's RE is not as potent as we're saying it is just so Garou can lose a match.

 

[SnookB]

Turns his bones to dust and cuts him with WICF.

Based off a statement and a feat that didn't even occur. Luffy's Ryuou is literally shown obliterating shit and ya'll refuse to take a visual feat seriously over Garou saying he can turn bones to dust.

His shockwaves cut, as they incorporate WICF.

His internal durability negating ones involve that? Either way. Doesn't matter because Kenbun negs shockwaves/vibrations.

His showings of evolving past gaps of over 10 times almost instantly. And against someone who is his speed, he's evolved to to the point that they can't even get a chance t counterattack. Luffy's Kenbun would just make Garou evolve even further.

Yes. "Not getting a chance to counter attack" isn't a complete blitz. Luffy didn't get the chance to counter attack Kuro, then in moments started tagging him anyway. "Luffy's Kenbun would just make Garou evolve even further." wheeze

Garou's AP is greater than Luffy's, which would keep growing stronger the longer they fight. Luffy's Busoshoku would get pierced worse than Jinbe's did against Who's Who.

Growing to what? Garou and Luffy are both locked to their tier, and Luffy's so durable even without Buso that it's laughable to think a haxless attack of cutting would actually damage him that badly to begin with.

There's no proof that he even would get hit.

• Opponent has future sight
• Garou starts off the same tier
• Garou starts off equally as fast, only at a disadvantage of not having as good of amp-stacks or precognition

"he doesn't get hit trust me bro" aight

Doesn't get hit lmao.

See answer above.

 

[SnookB]

The fact that their speed is already equalized means that Garou would evolve similar to how Garou evolved against Darkshine.

Yeah, Darkshine. Who has no precog. No Analytical prediction. No RE. No Empowerment. No speed amps. No regen. No dura neg. Literally totally definitely the same as fighting Luffy.

especially considering the fact that most of you have read OPM.

Me reading OPM is the reason I disagree with Garou being given the sloppiest toppy like this. He's skilled as **** and against someone who has no hax or counters would absolutely wash. But this is just ridiculous.

 

[LordGinSama]

Turns his bones to dust and cuts him with WICF.

Not happening whenever it uses shockwaves in order to negate durability, the force of the shockwaves is what does all of that damage. Luffy's Rubber body would literally just neg that form of Durability Negation.

His shockwaves cut, as they incorporate WICF.

Buso Emission to block.

His showings of evolving past gaps of over 10 times almost instantly.

Pretty sure East Blue Luffy has a feat of tagging someone who was much faster than just 10x.

And against someone who is his speed, he's evolved to to the point that they can't even get a chance t counterattack.

Unfortunately they didn't have a form of layered Precognition to counterattack with.

Luffy's Kenbun would just make Garou evolve even further.

And Garou's evolution would make Luffy's Kenbunshoku Haki evolve further.

Garou's AP is greater than Luffy's, which would keep growing stronger the longer they fight. Luffy's Busoshoku would get pierced worse than Jinbe's did against Who's Who.

Jinbe's Haki is completely laughable in comparison to Luffy's, Jinbe's hardening is much weaker than Luffy's and unlike Luffy Jinbe doesn't have emission..

Although the point is that the Buso would dampen the attack enough for it not to cut all too deeply.

There's no proof that he even would get hit.

Kenbunshoku Haki to tell Luffy's here he'd dodge, place the attack there before Garou starts moving. Ryou implants Haki into the opponent, and advanced Hao allows Luffy to hit Garou like that without making contact.


Also no, Garou has been hit multiple times by much lesser skilled opponents in the past.

Doesn't get hit lmao.

I beg to differ.

 

[Kachon123]

Based off a statement and a feat that didn't even occur. Luffy's Ryuou is literally shown obliterating shit and ya'll refuse to take a visual feat seriously over Garou saying he can turn bones to dust.

His internal durability negating ones involve that? Either way. Doesn't matter because Kenbun negs shockwaves/vibrations.

Why are you mentioning Ryou? Him being able to survive Ryou doesn't mean he can survive Garou's durability negation. Garou's incorporates cutting, which Luffy is susceptible to. How does Kenbun neg that?

Yes. "Not getting a chance to counter attack" isn't a complete blitz. Luffy didn't get the chance to counter attack Kuro, then in moments started tagging him anyway

You realize that he would just keep getting faster until a blitz, similar to how he did to Platinum Sperm right?

"Luffy's Kenbun would just make Garou evolve even further." wheeze

Nice debunk.

Growing to what? Garou and Luffy are both locked to their tier, and Luffy's so durable even without Buso that it's laughable to think a haxless attack of cutting would actually damage him that badly to begin with.

Garou doesn't only grow against people stronger or more durable than him. He grows regardless. Garou would grow tot he top of his tier.

His cutting is internal damage, which Luffy doesn't have resistance to iirc.

• Opponent has future sight
• Garou starts off the same tier
• Garou starts off equally as fast, only at a disadvantage of not having as good of amp-stacks or precognition

"he doesn't get hit trust me bro" aight

You're ******* ignoring my entire argument. You're so sad. Future sight is not something Luffy spams. He uses normal Kenbun 70% of the time. If Garou tries to attack and Luffy avoids it with kenbun, Garou's RE would kick in allowing him to reach speeds that would be too fast for Luffy, like Kaido Thunder Bagua on rooftop.

 

[LordGinSama]

Shit Busoshoku Haki itself would block the shockwaves easily considering that the Admirals used Emission to block a literal blast of nothing but violent Vibrations.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Also Luffy's RE isn't as good as Garou's is, I will say that but the implications of indefinite growth for Garou in vs matches is ******* stupid and wanked to hell. He can't continue to get faster and faster and faster, eventually he'll reach a cap.


Shit Saitama is currently slapping around Garou in his strongest form with one arm, yet his evolution didn't allow him to become stronger or faster than Saitama whenever Saitama isn't tiers above Garou. And he can't dodge everything either, People without precognition and people who are much less skilled than Garou have hit him in the past.

"Garou is currently being slapped around by saitama" the same garou who has tanked 6 serious punches and has matched the same punch too that has shockwaves that travel god knows how many light years? Saitama is literally out there covering the entire surface area of one of Jupiters moons and that's what you're trying to use as an anti feat? Get serious dude

 

[LordGinSama]

Kachon, Luffy spams FS he's been doing it all the time since he's unlocked it. He even used it against fodder so that's really not an argument you wanna make.

 

[LordGinSama]

"Garou is currently being slapped around by saitama" the same garou who has tanked 6 serious punches and has matched the same punch too that has shockwaves that travel god knows how many light years? Saitama is literally out there covering the entire surface area of one of Jupiters moons and that's what you're trying to use as an anti feat? Get serious dude

Clearly talking about physical strikes, don't try to misconstrue my comment intentionally. The only person who should get serious is you buddy.

 

[Kachon123]

Not happening whenever it uses shockwaves in order to negate durability, the force of the shockwaves is what does all of that damage. Luffy's Rubber body would literally just neg that form of Durability Negation.

There's a difference between normal shockwaves, and shockwaves that cut. Luffy can neg WB's shockwaves, but can't do the same to attacks like Zoro's Tatsumaki. That's the difference.

Buso Emission to block.

He can bypass that via durability negation that goes past the buso emmision.

Jinbe's Haki is completely laughable in comparison to Luffy's, Jinbe's hardening is much weaker than Luffy's and unlike Luffy Jinbe doesn't have emission..

It was an example

 

[Tatsumi504]

"after he woke up" not after he fought bang. After he was CONSCIOUS as a half-monster. Garou was weakened the whole time because he was fighting Bang without any of his own consciousness to it. Garou always gets STRONGER after he awakens.
When he was fighting Darkshine unconscious, he did worse than when he woke up. When he was fighting Bang "unconscious", he was weaker than when he woke up.
AFTER he was awake Garou basically stopped being nerfed. Not every instance of getting stronger is "look it's RE", there's a difference between being unconscious and being conscious and knowing what you're doing. That much is made very clear for Garou as well.

Doesn't change the fact he jumped from 0.55c to 4.33c in 13milli seconds, lmfao. Also doesn't change the fact he jumped from 6A to 5C in a few minutes, while he was giving his opponent a one sided beat down no less

 

[Kachon123]

Wait what version of Garou is this?

 

[LordGinSama]

There's a difference between normal shockwaves, and shockwaves that cut. Luffy can neg WB's shockwaves, but can't do the same to attacks like Zoro's Tatsumaki. That's the difference.

False equivalence, Zoro's Tatsumaki doesn't create vibrations, it only generates blades of wind to cut with. A shockwave isn't the same as a gust of compressed air, although it would be dope if Zoro had some type of vibration cutting.

Whitebeard can indeed cut with his vibrations using his spear. The cuts would hurt him, the shockwaves on the other hand wouldn't.

He can bypass that via durability negation that goes past the buso emmision.

Busoshoku Haki has feats of literal blocking out vibrations that negate durability. Forcefields don't have anything for the vibrations to pass through

It was an example

Fair enough

 

[LordGinSama]

Also Luffy when he was Mach 34 struck Kuro's Relativistic speed enhancement.

The difference between those two was in the thousands and Luffy still struck Kuro despite the speed gap.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Also no, Garou has been hit multiple times

 

[Tatsumi504]

Name an opponent garou has been tagged by who didn't vastly out state him, was clearly in a tier above him, isn't saitama

 

[Tatsumi504]

Completely unrelated but why is speedster just lurking in the background liking everything

 

[Kin201]

speedster likes posts that speak "fax".

 

[LordGinSama]

Name an opponent garou has been tagged by who didn't vastly out state him, was clearly in a tier above him, isn't saitama

Golden Ball, PS Sperm, the 4 other Heroes who ran a train on him, Rover, Orochi, Tank-Top Master, Watchdog Man, Genos, Bug God's.


Want me to go on? Because I can go on. Don't @ me again.

 

[LordGinSama]

Completely unrelated but why is speedster just lurking in the background liking everything

That's just kinda what he does lol.

 

[SnookB]

Why are you mentioning Ryou? Him being able to survive Ryou doesn't mean he can survive Garou's durability negation. Garou's incorporates cutting, which Luffy is susceptible to. How does Kenbun neg that?

Not kenbun. Meant buso. Busoshoku negs Hasshoken shockwaves even back in Dressrosa. Luffy's buso now is leagues beyond it.

You realize that he would just keep getting faster until a blitz, similar to how he did to Platinum Sperm right?

And so would Luffy. Again, he went from getting blitzed by thunder bagua to moving so fast the attack itself looked like it was seconds long.

Garou doesn't only grow against people stronger or more durable than him. He grows regardless. Garou would grow tot he top of his tier.

His cutting is internal damage, which Luffy doesn't have resistance to iirc.

There isn't an instance where he grew WITHOUT getting pushed back. Garou against Orochi said he was readjusting and evolving, not that he'll get stronger regardless. That's what "reactive evolution" means. It's a response to getting overpowered.
His cutting is internal damage via shockwaves that won't get passed busoshoku to begin with.

You're so sad.

Never been happier in my life but tell yourself what you want. Just stick to the debate and keep feelings to yourself.

Future sight is not something Luffy spams.

The dude's been spamming it since he got it. What? He spammed it against FODDER in Udon.

Garou's RE would kick in allowing him to reach speeds that would be too fast for Luffy, like Kaido Thunder Bagua on rooftop.

And then Luffy's RE would allow him to make that kick look like it's moving at snail pace seconds after.
Just like Kaido's thunder bagua on rooftop.

He can bypass that via durability negation that goes past the buso emmision.

And then it won't go past basic busoshoku because that blocks vibration based dura neg.

Name an opponent garou has been tagged by who didn't vastly out state him

The whole Genos vs Garou fight exists.

Doesn't change the fact he jumped from 0.55c to 4.33c in 13milli seconds, lmfao.

Miliseconds that, again, feel like regular time for Garou and anyone moving ftl.

Also doesn't change the fact he jumped from 6A to 5C in a few minutes, while he was giving his opponent a one sided beat down no less

Irrelevant. He's locked to tier 6 here.

 

[azontr]

Completely unrelated but why is speedster just lurking in the background liking everything

Because he's banned from VS Threads and thus feels the need to express his opinion through something more superficial to compensate for that.

 

[SnookB]

Because he's banned from VS Threads and thus feels the need to express his opinion through something more superficial to compensate for that.

O damn? Why? I didn't now that, I thought he just follows threads for the fun of it

 

[azontr]

O damn? Why? I didn't now that, I thought he just follows threads for the fun of it

Because he argues like ass and annoys everybody he debates with perpetually through stonewalling.

 

[SnookB]

Because he argues like ass and annoys everybody he debates with perpetually through stonewalling.

Flashback to Oars vs Diane...

Understandable

 

[azontr]

I'd say more but I don't want my rant on speedster to devolve into something malicious.

On-Topic this thread has already exited grace and should probably be closed.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

So basically

Luffy kills Garou before he evolves

Or Garou evolves before Luffy kills him

 

[azontr]

So basically

Luffy kills Garou before he evolves

Or Garou evolves before Luffy kills him

Luffy evolves while Garou evolves as well. He has RE to.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

But well, Luffy's RE is not that good

 

[azontr]

Based on what has been seen in this thread, Luffy's growth speed is rather impressive as well, but my word is not one you should take. @LordGinSama and @SnookB can explain it better than I.

 

[SnookB]

But well, Luffy's RE is not that good

Goes from being unable to track Kuro>Smacks Kuro
Goes from getting knocked out by Croc's poison to beating the shit out of Crocodile WHILE poisoned
Goes from struggling to hit Enel to Enel saying "He's too fast" while Luffy has several tons attached to him weighing him down
Goes from getting his ass caved in by Katakuri to being as strong as Gear 4 in his base
Goes from getting blitzed by thunder Bagua WITH FUTURE SIGHT to blitzing thunder bagua without future sight

"Luffy's RE is not that good"

 

[KingTempest]

Luffy has his own regular growth plus amps so please don't make this an RE fest

 

[azontr]

Goes from being unable to track Kuro>Smacks Kuro
Goes from getting knocked out by Croc's poison to beating the shit out of Crocodile WHILE poisoned
Goes from struggling to hit Enel to Enel saying "He's too fast" while Luffy has several tons attached to him weighing him down
Goes from getting his ass caved in by Katakuri to being as strong as Gear 4 in his base
Goes from getting blitzed by thunder Bagua WITH FUTURE SIGHT to blitzing thunder bagua without future sight

"Luffy's RE is not that good"

Well, this is more Reactive Power Level than Reactive Evolution but at this point they may as well be the same ability.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

that

yeah

 

[LordGinSama]

RE is the most wanked ability on the wiki I swear

 

[azontr]

RE is the most wanked ability on the wiki I swear

Be quiet, Garou adapts.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Doomsday vs Garou when