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If that's the case
Then it applies here
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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation
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Then it applies here
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I also confirm this, I'm pretty sure I have read more than 30 cultivation novels and I honestly don't remember a single one in which this wasn't the case.
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Regirock is IP1 because they are Inorganic with consciousness either from magic or supernatural means but if regirock is just a rock without consciousness or self awareness it would be IP2
the difference between IP 1 and IP 2 is they are still both inorganic but IP 2 has no soul and mind.
So if the corruption works on A literal rock or sun who is likely in their verse has no mind/soul or consciousness it would still affect Arale.
you only need feats of affected IP 2 with mind or soul manip. not anything else that affects things physically
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history, existence within the narrative, hyper narrative, and a bunch of other stuff that is either verse exclusive, basically stuff that goes in type 5
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I agree, though I'd check with the sun stuff. Cultivation novels can have f*cky stuff like everything in the world having souls (Ergenverse stars have law-hax, sentience and soul pressure for instance).
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I’ll keep saying it, but John Egbert should be in 5th in 2-A cuz I don’t think Final Fantasy can deal with Type 5 Acasualty
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Okay
Im not sure where this logic originates from nor sure it can be applied here.
The IP page VERY clearly has its standards on what is considered IP2 and Rock being a Rock is not a qualification for IP2 nor can I think of any examples of this being the case
Not entirely correct
The difference between the two of them is that IP1 operates with an Inorganic body that still has mind and/or soul and IP2 can move and operate in an Inorganic body without mind nor soul but instead by using an A.I. or Programming Code
Again IP2 has its standards on what is considered as IP2 and being able to corrupt a rock cannot be used as direct indivation you can do so with A.I
Rocks dont even have A.I. in the first place
And also if you did corrupt a rock and it gain life and consciousness it would still be Type 1
Yeah
Feats he has yet to have shown
How exactly does corrupting the moon work?
And why would corrupting the moon mean he can affect A.I. and Data
I have seen multiple characters able to corrupt a piece of metal
Granting it thought and conscious ness and only got life manipulation for it
And again it depends on the context of what corrupting the moon actually did because if what happened was that he corrupt the moon and turned it into a devil then that sounds a product of life manipulation, biological manipulation or transmutation or granting a consciousness to something that had none rather than assuming he can affect data and information
Again I can provide examples of characters having life manipulation etc for what your saying
I dont think their is a single example of saying a Rock naturally is IP2 when the standards for IP2 dont lean in that direction
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I dunno why you keep fixating on this. This is like saying because a character's corruption doesn't affect the mind and soul of a victim it's useless. Like, can she survive as pure data or something for this to be relevant?
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John doesn’t just have Type 5 Acasualty, he also has Outerverse level plot, fate, and casualty manipulation, and there is more that is on the profile
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a rock is inorganic without life and death nor soul and mind
which is textbook IG 2 except IG 2 has some sort of life not granted by Supernatural means that gives them life mostly like robots with programming
a rock becomes IG type 1 if they are given life in that cause since now they have life they are vulnerable to life and death manipulation
yes if the piece of metal gain consciousness that isn't AI or programming then it also qualifies for life manipulation in the sense that it gives life by imbuing them with their own powers via corruption
yes via corruption you can corrupt beings into having a consciousness because corruption is literally imbuing or corrupting someone with your own power.
On who and what standard did this come from? I have never seen anyone says someone who can corrupt a rock cannot corrupt the inorganic object where the program and A.I. is stored into which is also a physical object.
eitherway this is not the thread to discuss this and we're kinda clogging up it a bit. might as well move it on question and answer or somewhere else so I won't reply to anything about this topic anymore
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Because corrupting the moon and then turning it into devil is just scratching my head cause that would imply life and biological manipulation
Alot of characters have life manipulation for similar feats of bringing non living things so life after all
Im not trying to say that
Im trying to say she has no mind nor soul
Only a string of code and information thats is her operating system and your suggesting corruption can naturally affect data and information without feats just because it affected a rock which inheritly has no mind nor soul UNLESS the verse treats it differently
Like Bleach in which all things even non living things have souls
Nope
Im just saying its kinda sus to say you can corrupt data with lack of featts for doing so and without data manipulation
Like i said
Im scratching my head over this
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Yes for two reasons.
1: The only supporter for the verse hasn't been active for months and no-one else on this website that is active know's Sage Monarch well enough to argue what their abilities are, the capabilities of their abilities, their starting moves ect..
2: Yang Qi loses to everyone on the tier with the only exception possibly being Senshinkan Characters, but at best Yang would only get an incon with them since it seems he can't interact with their Abstract Existence (Type 1) nor negate their Mid-Godly Regeneration.
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Welcome to Xianxia.
I mean, if she's purely a robot then wouldn't corrupting the hardware that allows her code to run more or less finish her?
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Thanks for the Wecoming
It would make more sense to argue corrupting her body than her AI honestly
Anyways
Based on how the corrupting is worded it seems like you have to corrupt the mind first before the person can be turned into a devil
If thats the case the corruption needs feats of affecting data amd information. It cannot be assumed based on "a rock has no mind and soul" when that can be easily a feat of life manipulation and transmutation
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Except it isn't just the mind. Her mind being data means little since it still needs to well, run. Which isn't happening if her CPU or whatever is demon ***** or something.Thanks for the Wecoming
It would make more sense to argue corrupting her body than her AI honestly
Anyways
Based on how the corrupting is worded it seems like you have to corrupt the mind first before the person can be turned into a devil
If thats the case the corruption needs feats of affecting data amd information. It cannot be assumed based on "a rock has no mind and soul" when that can be easily a feat of life manipulation and transmutation
Really, a robot is just immune to mind and soul hax. Anything affecting it physically will still do so handily.
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And even if he could corrupt her body and turn her into a devil without the need for mind stuff
Arale can still retain her consciousness, strength and powers even when transmutated into different forms and structures
And she could undo the corruption with her Restore Gun or Morph Gun or Hax
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So True
Affecting her physically will do the trick
But even then Arale's access to OE can negate corruption plus she can retain her consciousess, strength and powers even when transmutated
She can easily just use her hax to warp away and then fix herself with morph or restore gun
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Final Fantasy Characters can't interact with Type 5 Acaus and he does have 1-A shit in his 2-A Key so yeah he definitely gains that spot.
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He'd just share Caliborn's spot.
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True since he basically shares the same win-con's as Caliborn and has the same-level of potency for his hax's as Caliborn (1-A).
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Sure he can have the empty 5th spot until future threads are made to increase his placement.
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wasn;thigh 6-A vsuppiose to be for universal will
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Correct.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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im just gonna point this out rn, john does not share the same wincon as caliborn, caliborn has 1-A passives and hax that let him beat out everyone in 2-A bar DnD, John only beats Final Fantasy because his type 5 acausality will let him eventually retcon the final fantasy character's out of existence or from out of their state of full power/nep which he can then beat their asses, however that is not the case at all, for PMMM and Oryx, who both have acausality type 5 or a way to hit it and a way to up and bully john, he takes the spot of final fantasy, not of anyone else
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If anyone knows Homestuck is this true? because if it is then he'll go back to just the 5th spot then.
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Thank you. I already have tier 1 stuff for the series in the oven and conceptual stuff will probably follow.
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John actually stomped Oryx in a match if memory serves lol
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/john-egbert-vs-oryx-the-taken-king.82706/
If this is the match you're talking about then, no Oryx stomped.
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