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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

About the britania nuking , i should remind you guys that the demon king is comparable to 2 of the 7 people who make the initial attack and is implied he would have been killed/damaged by the initial force of it as well

Right now he should wait until arthur does something meaningfull in four knights since he is the only one who should scale for sure

And also come up with an argument for true magic meli scaling to it since that is likely the case narratively
 
Theendzero13 said:
About the britania nuking , i should remind you guys that the demon king is comparable to 2 of the 7 people who make the initial attack and is implied he would have been killed/damaged by the initial force of it as well

Right now he should wait until arthur does something meaningfull in four knights since he is the only one who should scale for sure

And also come up with an argument for true magic meli scaling to it since that is likely the case narratively
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There is already plenty of info for the combined attack and all it's scaling. Other verses have been upgraded for less.
 
Ah_Gou said:
Demon King's "The Ruler" can tank large country level attacks. Meliodas can also Full Counter large country level attacks. Arthur absorbing the energy from the lake means his physical stats should scale to the final attack at the very least.
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The first two are hax and will not scale to physicals no matter what

Arthus should scale but we need a big CRT for that
 
Ah_Gou said:
I'm aware it's hax but people were claiming NLF for both those characters when it comes to their hax and attacks above their tier.
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Oh i see, honestly i never understood those arguments TBH, since when were haxes that never showed to be limited by power , limited by a character tier ?
 
Theendzero13 said:
Oh i see, honestly i never understood those arguments TBH, since when were haxes that never showed to be limited by power , limited by a character tier ?
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Because you can't expect an island tier character to negate/tank/whatever an attack from a lets say Universal tier character. The rule is fine.
 
Theendzero13 said:
Yeah , still sounds weird , like if a 10-B character has EE , would he not be able to affect a 6-C despite nulling dura
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There are certain haxes that would be able to affect beings on a higher tier, Dimension Fuckery is one of those like Yami (from BC).
 
Ruler could easily nullify the Sins' normal attacks, and DK had to remove Zeldris' ability to resist magic before one-shotting him. It's definitely above his normal power.

NLF is used in versus battles to stop us from assuming that, for example, a fireproof character in a Small Building level verse could withstand flames capable of vaporizing planets.

It's also completely illogical because a team of characters capable of taking on TDK at his peak (which doesn't even take into account that Meliodas went from Demon to Assault Mode) needed 9 Full Counters, a limit breaking boost, and Infinity to perform this attack.

True Magic Meliodas is pretty close to the Demon King, mind you, so he'd back scale from an attack that completely and utterly overpowered him. And it was each Commandment that survived, meaning fractions of DK's power would scale to this.

Clearly it's just non-corporeality that allowed the Commandments to survive, and it makes horrendous scaling.
 
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ByAsura said:
Ruler could easily nullify the Sins' normal attacks, and DK had to remove Zeldris' ability to resist magic before one-shotting him. It's definitely above his normal power.

NLF is used in versus battles to stop us from assuming that, for example, a fireproof character in a Small Building level verse could withstand flames capable of vaporizing planets.

It's also completely illogical because a team of characters capable of taking on TDK at his peak (which doesn't even take into account that Meliodas went from Demon to Assault Mode) needed 9 Full Counters, a limit breaking boost, and Infinity to perform this attack.

True Magic Meliodas is pretty close to the Demon King, mind you, so he'd back scale from an attack that completely and utterly overpowered him. And it was each Commandment that survived, meaning fractions of DK's power would scale to this.

Clearly it's just non-corporeality that allowed the Commandments to survive, and it makes horrendous scaling.
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What about arthur ? Magic power do not scale to physicals all the times but he did absorb the magic power attack
 
Ah_Gou said:
I also never agreed on using "our world's smallest ocean", it's an artificially created ocean with unknown size, there's not enough info to assume it's based on any of our in real life oceans.
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all graces are LITERAL to their names. and since SD can create stars , her creating an ocean is nothing
 
Zezu1995 said:
Ok so.. DK said commandments are the fragment of HIS POWER.. which survived the multi-continental attack (high end)
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But that same attack destroyed the DK, even the base version of it was going to kill him. The scaling would make no sense. Although OG power Meliodas destroying them could mean something.
 
Ah_Gou said:
But that same attack destroyed the DK, even the base version of it was going to kill him. The scaling would make no sense. Although OG power Meliodas destroying them could mean something.
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it destroyed a weaker vessel version not the main body or vessel or mel/zel
 
Zeldris is his original flesh + the commandments. This new one is DK + the commandments, so it's still stronger than his 50% state, and DK was absolutely and completely overwhelmed by this move.

Speaking of the move, The Ultimate One Escanor (someone that overpowered Zeldris DK at his peak) contributed to it while limit broken, not to mention Assault Mode Meliodas. So it's still dozens of times more powerful than Zeldris DK at the very least.
Zezu1995 said:
all graces are LITERAL to their names. and since SD can create stars , her creating an ocean is nothing
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And Ocean is still very much a meaningless metric.

Disregarding the fact that Ocean is a tiny fraction of SD's original power (even 1 trillionth of Star level is in the Moon level range, so that's fair), this was Tarmiel in a vessel and Ocean scales to his actual power, so creating stars is not nothing to Tarmiel.
 
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idk bout that, the graces are taken from the bible , ocean is all of the water on earth. and tarmiel is just a user of the ability . I mean logically i guess you can say his would be weaker. as for DK, its not dk + commandments its just commandments + land. DK is still in purgatory . till the commandments was completely destroyed.
 
meh know what, its w.e for ocean.. the new series has a new sunshine user so maybe we get more info and maybe we might get a grace fusion like commandments... im thinking that EX-goddess guy nanashi
 
So where does Flash come from? And if Sunshine represents the creation of the Sun, why can't Mael create stars or at least enough light to blanket the planet?

I'm talking about the Zeldris who possessed Britannia. As for the commandments themselves, they wouldn't be massively weaker.

In fact, your suggestion actually makes this even more illogical because fragments of a fraction of 100% DK survived an attack monstrously above Zeldris DK's own AP.
 
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its true sunshine is sun based thats why he has fire manipulation and can create a mini sun. Yall saying "Create" stars is just trynna use a reason to not agree with it.. when in fact we already have gods doing that.. but this is what i got from the thing
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https://gyazo.com/2a6c9373e3a7beabc7b389d0b0de75b3
 
wait im confused zeldris didnt possess anything... the commandments got ripped from zel, and went into the land..
 
Which is my point. They're not on the same scale as the creation feats in the Book of Genesis. They're just references because their powers are similar.

As for the Gods creating stars, that doesn't actually scale to their own physical feats. Tarmiel created this Ocean with his own power in a heavily suppressed state.

You're not getting what I'm saying. Zeldris DK is DK at a comparable state to his youth + the full power of the Commandments. The Ultimate One Escanor equalled him, and the combo attack was performed by all the Sins while limit broken, boosted by Infinity, and Full Countered 9 times.

Even assuming A) the entire group combined with the limit breaker and infinity boost are 2x stronger than DK Zel, and B) Full Counter only doubles the attack power, it's still about 162x more powerful than DK Zeldris.

So the combo is, by all logic, astronomically above the fragmentary Commandments. This is substantiated by the fact that it greatly overpowered Britannia DK, who was DK + all of the Commandments.
 
ty for explaining more, i was super confused xd but ya i agree nabaka just took some ideas from the bible
 
naw best bet is to use the purgatory manga one. w.e u can get from that UNLESS.. you trust wiki to have it
 
Theendzero13 said:
Kinda weird that the supreme goddes seens to use both ocean and tornado on this image but did not use any grace against mel and zel
I heard she was nerfed in the movie due to having used the coffin of eternal darkness ,maybe that is the explanation
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she didnt have the grace the only grace thats free atm is sunshine the other graces are being helded , the Q/A said that graces revive the angels overtime soo we waiting on that. atm its been 16 years so if we see a angel revive then we know.
 
I did the calculations, which is the first step before I make the CRT.

I ended up not doing some calculations like Ban's Sacred Tree feat and Escanor's Edinburgh blast because they weren't worth it. The latter barely broke 2 megatons with massive high-balls, like the city having 20 buildings (I only counted 13) that were each solid 50 x 50 x 50 metre cubes with the heat capacity of cement.
 
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