Atlus gave their co-sign for Yu to use their IP and create a story based on the game setting. I haven't reviewed the rules yet but that is literally an official sign off from them to include the story under their umbrella.
Aside from the DMCA, I not sure if the copyrights law for Japan can been applied to what being used in the canonicity page since it was never addressed if memories served right.
Some, but because the series prominently involves multiverse shenanigans it's hard to take that as a contradiction, and not just the story taking place in another timeline.
Multiverse Shenanigans is a pain, but in cases such as this in terms of Canonicity, we do unfortunately need WOG statements and/or others in-verse statements to address the canonicity issues to say the least. That reminds me that I might need to address the continuity and canonicity of the Nasuverse at some point.
The only statement we have on it is the Western book publisher's advertising material saying that the books take place in the world of the games.
The book taking the place in the world of the games does seem vague and unfortunately doesn’t completely address whatsoever that it is directly tied to the games or not.
But both Yu and Atlus are the authors. The biggest difference is that Yu must defer to Atlus as the primary author for the IP. The Primary author of the story contractually allowed Yu to create spin-offs of her own work without the constraints of a game, utilizing the same setting and dynamic of the same characters.
Actually, the page literally only discusses "feats". Feats are measurable phenomena that can be calculated to quantify the potency of said phenomena. That's not really transitive to a discussion about ontology which are descriptions about a state of being. So just like with Ultima's argument, all of these connected verses blatantly using the foundational ontology involve the same descriptions with some flavor here and there. Thus the "outside of the concept dimensions" sentence buried within the mounds of concurring evidence for the realm in the novel/games being the same across MT as a whole, is pretty darn incidental all things considered, albeit the specific verbiage needed for objective tiering on the site.
It's specifically stated to be an adaption of the P1 game made by an unaffiliated author, and publishing company. Atlus has directly published other manga such as Tsumi no Batsu into Jump, but irregardless this form is not directly from Atlus but still supervised by them.
That's wholly your interpretation though. Yu was never supposed to leave the SMT team, and her contract was obviously drawn up well before then when she first began working with them. So I'd wager it's far more likely that, given they scouted her and asked her to write the story in the first place instead of doing it in house, they split the difference for story rights specific to the game's plot, setting, and characters, and allowed her to be the one to write the adaptations as supplementary canon not confined by game narrative. This would also explain why Atlus never actually made additional supplementary material for the series despite them doing so with literally even game/series, even very obscure cases.
I mean I feel we are getting pretty hypercritical here for what amounts to a case of, Yu legally had the rights to expand upon MT's DDS canon.
Yes, and Yu Goddai was only allowed to make these novels due to stipulations in her contract with ATLUS. Which means her rights fall under an employee of the parent company employing her. Meaning under Japanese law, they are the primary author of the content which is what Ultima explained earlier.
I don't really see how that is relevant tbh.
No. I am saying the page discusses feats only. A feat is very specific phenomenon. You can describe a state of being many different ways and have them mean the same thing. Which is once again, why there is so much concurrence between all of the MT cosmology because it all shares the same foundational basis. The outside of the concept of dimension statements comes from an omniscient persons literally describing their experience as a being unbound in the unconscious. This is not some new feat. This is has been alluded to or outright shown in tons of different MT games, all with other supplementary evidence also boosting this notion. So yes, this isn't so much a "new feat" as it is "clarification on the specifics of the ontology of the unconscious in relation to spatial topography. "
Thanks for responding, I will respond tomorrow afternoon.
Nothing wrong with that. User input is very important, especially if you're a knowledgeable member.
I mean they had a back and forth at this point and Agnaa literally has the last word at the moment so I think people can decide who they agree with or change their opinion.
You do realize the people who agreed were in a discord helping him make said response, right?
I also have no clue what you’re talking about. What exactly is Low 2-C? And let’s not derail and bring hax into this, completely irrelevant.
i meant low 1C, and it is not derailing
It would be 1-C if it wasn’t canon.
I would say that validating anything as canon because "there's a multiverse" is much sillier.
That's not exactly what he meant, but agreed.
I think comparing a primary canon author who had legal rights to expand upon the megami setting based on a mix of atlus and her IP being compared to “anything” is even more silly.
I mean if this is of course assuming it is primary canon as I do have a few questions.
I didn't talk about Megamin Tensei at all. I just responded to a comment about stuff in general.
1.) It came after the games. When drawing up the contract Atlus allowed Yu rights over their IP (characters, setting, etc) in order to make novels in the setting for the future, given Yu was an up and coming novelist and created the skeleton for the DDS: Avatar Tuner Game.
So you decided to make a comment that was completely devoid of the clear context of his comment? For what reason?
Hmmm if the LN is a adaptation from the games themselves, then it can definitely qualify for secondary canon rather than tertiary canon in my opinion.
In regards to this, I think it is more akin to how verses that has multiverse involved having everything is connected to one another ie. Every works being connected to one such as ones that precedes them and vice versa. Nasuverse is one such case(s) as it is pretty much a composite verse in its entirety and I believe Pokemon too.
Well, tbf there are WOG statements that address the canonicity issue in certain verses such as in the case of the Nasuverse.
Hmmm, is there evidence that point to this?
