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Well both got from new only low 1-C fate hax(?)
I guess it should still be removed from Archie Sonic's profile for now.
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I guess it should still be removed from Archie Sonic's profile for now.
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uh what about this archie sonic one
https://vsbattles.com/threads/battle-of-the-plot-manipulators-altair-re-creators-vs-sonic-the-hedgehog-archie-comics.117753/
we had the fight in-character. (if a fight is in-character than character would use bfr but they wouldn't if they were bloodlusted)
i say that archie had dimensional bfr. (does altair have anything against that.)
the match went incon. (as i remember it)
https://vsbattles.com/threads/battle-of-the-plot-manipulators-altair-re-creators-vs-sonic-the-hedgehog-archie-comics.117753/
we had the fight in-character. (if a fight is in-character than character would use bfr but they wouldn't if they were bloodlusted)
i say that archie had dimensional bfr. (does altair have anything against that.)
the match went incon. (as i remember it)
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and that needs to be removed why?
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the BFR just curious
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This match needs to be removed from Joseph Joestar and Clementine's profiles as Clementine was downgraded to 9-A.
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I have removed both matches from the profiles.
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This match need to be removed, its literally a stomp, Normal Lion vs Lion really inteligent.
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Why? Mufasa doesn't exactly fight different then a normal Lion.
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Lion vs Lion Inteligent, why is it even accepted in their profiles?
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Because it ain't a stomp and it's a valid match. Intelligence ain't everything.
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Inteligence indeed is not everything, but it is literally You vs You but way more inteligent
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I have some issues with most of Monika matches:
3143 vs Monika: The main reason why 3143 won was basically "lol he plot haxes Monika coz more potent plot hax" but the main issue is that Monika is resistant to such as she's basically unbound from the plot itself, as she could freerly act in her personal void which is even without the script. Aka the reason why he won is invalid and match should be removed.
Yukari vs Monika: No idea why it got added, it went to be just a FRA train while no one actually countered Monika winning via thought-based EE, and Yukari lost against Misogi for the same literal reason.
Monika vs Beiloune: Beiloune resists Monika's primary powers, making it a stomp
Monika vs Animdude: Animdude doesen't have literally anything to incap her, whatever he does to her turns her in NEP, making it a stomp
Monika vs Whiteface: What exactly stops Monika from Plot hax him? He can't do anything against such.
Monika vs Yuno: same
Monika vs Auditors: Same, Monika can simply still incap them because lolplot
3143 vs Monika: The main reason why 3143 won was basically "lol he plot haxes Monika coz more potent plot hax" but the main issue is that Monika is resistant to such as she's basically unbound from the plot itself, as she could freerly act in her personal void which is even without the script. Aka the reason why he won is invalid and match should be removed.
Yukari vs Monika: No idea why it got added, it went to be just a FRA train while no one actually countered Monika winning via thought-based EE, and Yukari lost against Misogi for the same literal reason.
Monika vs Beiloune: Beiloune resists Monika's primary powers, making it a stomp
Monika vs Animdude: Animdude doesen't have literally anything to incap her, whatever he does to her turns her in NEP, making it a stomp
Monika vs Whiteface: What exactly stops Monika from Plot hax him? He can't do anything against such.
Monika vs Yuno: same
Monika vs Auditors: Same, Monika can simply still incap them because lolplot
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Why would it be not a stomp? if its literally You vs a better version of you?
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Who is Remi and which match?
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He stars in this lovely movie called Ratatouille. And match.
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A little grammar mistake of mine but that Remy. Also most of Ditto loses are basically "lol Ditto is dumber"
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Oh lol, thats a different case, Remy lacks fighting experience that normal rats does, he just cooks and smell food, he is different from the others rats of his family that are normal rats
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Dunno about that, but meh, real life animals matches are a mess, there had a match of a T-Rex in the deep ocean fighting against a gigant animal that naturally lives in water, so yeah
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yes delete that match.
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Maybe we should tag @Agnaa? He knows a lot about 3143. Perhaps there is an argument why 3143 can win even if Monika is unbound from the plot, considering how absurd SCP is.
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I don't see anything on his profile making his plot hax bypassing resistance tbh
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From what I'm seeing in that thread, it seems his plot fuckery is more potent than Monika's resistant.
Perhaps I should just do a redux of that match, and see what happens.
Perhaps I should just do a redux of that match, and see what happens.
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The only reason why it was said is because "lol he can overcome other's plot hax", when it has nothing with Resistance.
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I think this battle is outdated because at the time, both were high 7-C, magellan right now is low 7-B in durability and he wins if he poison Hiei, Hiei can´t even scratch him (15.17 kilotons vs 1.3 megatons)
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Now that I think, 3143's Plot hax is 3-D, Monika's is 4-D due of the plot being also across space and time, as erasing a character from plot erases them from the space time as well. Screw it, Monika completely stomps 3143.
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I have removed T-Rex-Shark, Hiei-Magellan, and every noted Monika match.
I have left Mufasa-Lion because this hasn't been settled yet, though I will say that TLK characters often fight like their real-world counterparts, and human-like intelligence doesn't usually come up in the battles that do happen.
I have left Mufasa-Lion because this hasn't been settled yet, though I will say that TLK characters often fight like their real-world counterparts, and human-like intelligence doesn't usually come up in the battles that do happen.
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Have you seen this?
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I did miss that one, yes. I will take care of it now.
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This reasoning is incorrect, and I'm sad that I have to debate to undo this match's removal for a second time. The first time removal was discussed (for the 3-D plothax reason you gave below) was back here (damn I was way too hostile back there, sorry Zach).
Being able to act in a place without a script does not mean you are immune to all plot-based abilities. While the script was there, Monika was still very clearly bound by it, she was unable to hang out with the player too much while the script was still up. Sometimes the game would fade out while she was trying to talk to you. Other times she'd complain about how it seems to be a law of this world that you always end up dating other girls and can never date her.
So, the match should be reinstated.
Now that I think, 3143's Plot hax is 3-D, Monika's is 4-D due of the plot being also across space and time, as erasing a character from plot erases them from the space time as well. Screw it, Monika completely stomps 3143.
What do you mean his plot hax is 3-D? Where did you get Monika's plot being across time but 3143's not being such? He brings those he "flattens" into a narrative under of his own which lasts for a period of time before being applied to reality. 3143 resisted the same sort of EE (erasing someone from the story). Monika does not stomp.
Thank you Riki for suggesting I should be contacted, but only pings from staff members give notifications. Someone should have told me about this on my wall so I didn't need to see this in recent changes and ask Starter about it.
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You know, it can affect only stuff on a 3D plane, it was even said in the GER thread lol. That's literally why GER inconned 3143, otherwise 3143 would have stomped him. Not to say that 3143's narratives are just fundamentally 2D, its strong point is due of putting others in the 2D world and manipulating them there. How's that even remotely comparable to Monika's plot hax which literally is across space time?
Ok, that's nonsense. Monika in Act 3 directly stated that the only reason why she "was bound" is because of her doing so intentionally, she just wanted to not break the 4th wall too directly and too soon.
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I believe this match should be removed from Android 18 and Sentry's page. Because since then, Sentry got a few P&A upgrade and she doesn't resist a lot of it. Making this a bit stomp-ish?
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You know, it can affect only stuff on a 3D plane, it was even said in the GER thread lol. That's literally why GER inconned 3143, otherwise 3143 would have stomped him. Not to say that 3143's narratives are just fundamentally 2D, its strong point is due of putting others in the 2D world and manipulating them there. How's that even remotely comparable to Monika's plot hax which literally is across space time?
Jesus Christ, the exact same argument as last time this conversation happened.
3143's "flattening" is different from 3143's plot manip on beings once they are flattened. GER can undo that flattening, but Murphy will flatten again ad infinitum. Like I said in that thread, I think it's a bit of a mismatch since 3143 has no wincon. I have no idea how Murphy's plothax being relatively 4-D for lack of a better term would make it a stomp.
It's comparable because 3143 creates a new narrative that's under its control, and time passes in these, so 3143's narrative fuckery would presumably extend across that narrative's time.
Ok, that's nonsense. Monika in Act 3 directly stated that the only reason why she "was bound" is because of her doing so intentionally, she just wanted to not break the 4th wall too directly and too soon.
I don't know whether to call that a gross misrepresentation or a lie. In Act 3, Monika shows you a poem, then says that she always knew about herself being a video game character, but that she didn't do anything more than hint about it in poems so that she didn't break the fourth wall. That it would be best for her to be part of the game, thinking that might help her end up with the player. She was worried about ruining the game, making the player getting mad and deleting her character file.
There is nothing there saying that she pretended to be beholden to the script. She was purely talking about herself not choosing to talk about her fourth wall awareness.
Jesus Christ, the exact same argument as last time this conversation happened.
3143's "flattening" is different from 3143's plot manip on beings once they are flattened. GER can undo that flattening, but Murphy will flatten again ad infinitum. Like I said in that thread, I think it's a bit of a mismatch since 3143 has no wincon. I have no idea how Murphy's plothax being relatively 4-D for lack of a better term would make it a stomp.
It's comparable because 3143 creates a new narrative that's under its control, and time passes in these, so 3143's narrative fuckery would presumably extend across that narrative's time.
Ok, that's nonsense. Monika in Act 3 directly stated that the only reason why she "was bound" is because of her doing so intentionally, she just wanted to not break the 4th wall too directly and too soon.
I don't know whether to call that a gross misrepresentation or a lie. In Act 3, Monika shows you a poem, then says that she always knew about herself being a video game character, but that she didn't do anything more than hint about it in poems so that she didn't break the fourth wall. That it would be best for her to be part of the game, thinking that might help her end up with the player. She was worried about ruining the game, making the player getting mad and deleting her character file.
There is nothing there saying that she pretended to be beholden to the script. She was purely talking about herself not choosing to talk about her fourth wall awareness.
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Except that Narrative is 2D, not 4D like Monika's.
Honestly, she's pretty much implying that she could do that anytime, as she even said that "I didn't want to break the 4th wall, I guess you can call it. I just assumed it would be the best to be part of the game like anyone else".
It was her decision to not do so, if she had to follow the script she wouldn't delete Natsuki right off the bat when she was still alive. Plus the fact that she can destroy the script itself implies that she's beyond such, her actions are definitely not bound from it.
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Except that Narrative is 2D, not 4D like Monika's.
And Monika's getting brought to a lower world. When characters that are normally 3-D get "flattened" they become 11-A but still act/move as they were originally. It's the relative potency that seems to matter. Like, would you seriously expect someone with human-level fire manip (making it 3-D) to be able to burn the entire narrative to the ground once they're brought into it just because it's 11-A?
Honestly, she's pretty much implying that she could do that anytime, as she even said that "I didn't want to break the 4th wall, I guess you can call it. I just assumed it would be the best to be part of the game like anyone else".
It was her decision to not do so, if she had to follow the script she wouldn't delete Natsuki right off the bat when she was still alive. Plus the fact that she can destroy the script itself implies that she's beyond such, her actions are definitely not bound from it.
If you're just saying that she could destroy the script at any time, destroying its hold on her, sure, but I don't think that argument's a reason to delete the thread. You could redo it if you want, though.
That's an extremely naive reading of the game. How did the game fade her out against her will? How was she unable to hang out with you over the weekend despite at that point, being willing to go to pretty game-breaking lengths like deleting all other options and taking control of your cursor. I don't think you can argue there that she wasn't willing to break it, since she was going to some pretty extreme lengths at that point; everything short of deleting other characters and the script entirely.
The script also doesn't seem to be a literal prescription of every single word said and every single action taken, given how Monika can alter personality parameters of the other girls, causing them to say different things and act differently in ways that Monika doesn't expect. The script appears to rewrite itself on the fly once Sayori dies. There are some times where she does directly modify other character's lines, but I think you're making it out to be a bit more hard and fast than it actually is.
And Monika's getting brought to a lower world. When characters that are normally 3-D get "flattened" they become 11-A but still act/move as they were originally. It's the relative potency that seems to matter. Like, would you seriously expect someone with human-level fire manip (making it 3-D) to be able to burn the entire narrative to the ground once they're brought into it just because it's 11-A?
Honestly, she's pretty much implying that she could do that anytime, as she even said that "I didn't want to break the 4th wall, I guess you can call it. I just assumed it would be the best to be part of the game like anyone else".
It was her decision to not do so, if she had to follow the script she wouldn't delete Natsuki right off the bat when she was still alive. Plus the fact that she can destroy the script itself implies that she's beyond such, her actions are definitely not bound from it.
If you're just saying that she could destroy the script at any time, destroying its hold on her, sure, but I don't think that argument's a reason to delete the thread. You could redo it if you want, though.
That's an extremely naive reading of the game. How did the game fade her out against her will? How was she unable to hang out with you over the weekend despite at that point, being willing to go to pretty game-breaking lengths like deleting all other options and taking control of your cursor. I don't think you can argue there that she wasn't willing to break it, since she was going to some pretty extreme lengths at that point; everything short of deleting other characters and the script entirely.
The script also doesn't seem to be a literal prescription of every single word said and every single action taken, given how Monika can alter personality parameters of the other girls, causing them to say different things and act differently in ways that Monika doesn't expect. The script appears to rewrite itself on the fly once Sayori dies. There are some times where she does directly modify other character's lines, but I think you're making it out to be a bit more hard and fast than it actually is.
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