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Alright, I concede. Usopp frasnip
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Alright, I concede. Usopp frasnip
All base Haki works the exact same. Usopp's Haki works as precogI don't even think Usopp's haki works as precog. It only allowed him to sense presense. Deku's Danger Sense is literal precog in every sense of the word. Nagant FRA. Though this seems like a stomp since Usopp gets blitzed by Nagant's bullets..
Deku having pseudo precognition is better than what Usopp has going for him. Deku’s Danger Sense alerts him to danger before it has happened, or at a point in time that he can react to it before it has even reached him. I don’t know what about that is considered bad to you, but Precognition is Precognition. And Nagant blitzed him right through it several times.Deku's danger sense is pseudo-precog, it only allows him to sense danger. Similarly, you could compare it with Spiderman. Also, shouldn't Usopp be capable of dodging the bullets, he managed to dodge Enel's thunder (Enel is naturally faster than him). His natural cowardice of not wanting to be hurt always gave him in-character way better reaction speed than most Straw hats, it should be comparable to Nami's, who dodged her own Thunderbolt tempo.
Usopp is a pirate from the new world, they face people with literal precog far stronger than danger sense on a daily basis, especially Usopp before he entered the new world, sniped skilled assassins from the World government from a distance that was considered entirely impossible and he was undetected for a while, even Robin, Zoro and Sanji didn't know at first that someone is snipping the person who were assigned to execute her.
I would love to see Usopp CONSISTENTLY dodging attacks from characters faster than himself unless you’re talking about gag scenes. I’d also like to see how many of those characters could actually blitz Usopp, yet he still managed to dodge several of their attacks from different angles. If he just has a single instance of dodging Enel’s lightning, I’m completely ignoring the point.His Haki doesn't necessarily need to help him. Since Usopp has dodged things far faster than himself, it's not an exaggeration, because amongst the strawhats Usopp and Nami always felt the weakest because they are in fact still "Humans" by One piece standards. However, we all shouldn't sleep on his durability and endurance feats, he took a 10ton bat straight to the head and survived multiple explosions from Mr.5 and Mr.4 , considering that they are easily stronger than him Usopp survived all that.
If the Ap isn't 1.5x difference, then it is not a stomp nor would Usopp be defeated with just one shot, the 10ton bat is also not an exaggeration either, we saw a "Human" - Zoro who was completely covered with blood and lifted a building as if it weighed nothing. His Observation haki enables him to come up with strategies and spamming his plants such as:
Also Usopp can hinder her sight via his Smoke Star, even if she shoot her accuracy will be decreased and Usopp's observation haki allows him to see through the smoke.
- Secret Attack, Green Star: Impact Wolf: Ussop fires a seed that quickly grows into the shape of a large wolf. The bulb on its nose releases a stunningly powerful shockwave.
- Hissatsu Bakusui-Boshi: Emits a large cloud of powerful sleeping gas. (She doesn't resist sleep hax)
- Midori Boshi: Bamboo Javelin: Usopp fires a large number of fast growing bamboo seeds. The bamboo shoots up out of the ground and injures the enemy. He can use them to defend himself)
She counters sleep hax by not being in it? He has to shoot the projectile at her and then it explodes into gas. If she shoots the projectile early or uses her gun to propel herself away, she escapes the gas. Who, with actually decent Precognition, has Usopp managed to beat? And why does it matter when Nagant doesn’t have precog, just pure skill? No one is claiming she’s omniscient, but you’d be remiss to not realize the ridiculous advantage she is holding in this fight. Her analysis alone lets her land shots on Usopp that make his 1 kilometer feat look like a joke.You are completely missing the point, Usopp wasn't physically stronger than them, nor could he beat them 1 vs 1, we are basically talking about Alabasta Usopp who was more or less a literal human by One piece standards, so i don't know what this point supposed to imply?
I asked you a question how does she counter sleep hax, it's not even solid, it's literal gas meant to immobilize those who breath it, her analytical prediction is good and all, but she's not omniscient and usopp managed to outwit people with precog before, regarding deku's precog it only allows him to sense danger and not give him a brief glimpse into the future, sensing emotions, have larger range and can also sense danger (Not all Precog are OP btw, their common weakness is if the said person is faster than them).
You do remember what i said before, his impact wolf will block all the damage and direct it back to her, it also can walk towards his enemies. Also who says usopp doesn't have ways to block rapid fire beside impact wolf? you are claiming her bullets can pass through everything, how does it react to fire and other weapons Usopp easily get access to it? Flying is good and all, but i'll have you know that Usopp accurately sniped Buffalo and Baby 5, as well as managed to caught Ceaser from far away. Usopp 2 years training consists of hunting animals, including flying animals as well, so it's nothing new to him.
Thanks for clearing this up. However, Usopp will dodge before she could shoot him, similarly how he dodged Enel's lightning and other things (Cowardice dodge), not claiming he will come out unscathed, but he will immediately realize something is off with the bullets, Usopp has various ways of protecting himself (You are essentially saying that Usopp will just stand there and do nothing after being shot once), furthermore once he uses his sleep hax, amplifying her strength and speed is irrelevant.
Ah, i see my bad. But you also need to keep in mind that Observation haki enables him to dodge things unconsciously or gives him a brief glimpse into the future at the weirdest times, something that happened to Zoro and Luffy.
Usopp has this tier of Haki:All base Haki works the exact same. Usopp's Haki works as precog
Whoever typed this up needs to fight me, because this isn't a thing.Usopp has this tier of Haki:
If the claim is that Deku’s precog is worse than this, than I am calling into question the logical basis behind anyone backing Usopp. Infrequent, uncontrollable glimpses of the future that only operate when thinking really hard about performing them? Non-permanent presence sensing? “Otherwise cannot effectively utilize or disable this ability”?
- Inept Haki Users: Haki users in this class have the ability to activate Observation Haki, but with little to no control. They can infrequently sense the presence of others, see brief premonitions of the future with immense focus and desperation, but otherwise can not effectively utilize or disable the ability.
So now we’re essentially trying to say Usopp lucks with a bunch of Haki moments to move faster than blitz tier projectiles, not because it’s consistent, but because he can possibly do it sometimes. That AT BEST let’s him know of a bullet once or twice, and that’s being horrendously generous. Is this tier of Haki even defensive? Would he even get a glimpse of Nagant’s bullets?
That’s what is separating this strange precognition tier list some people have set up in their head. Can Usopp reliably use his observation Haki several times in a fight in a defensive manner to not die? If so, point me to examples that prove he can. Deku’s precognition works as it is intended to work, which makes it better than what Usopp have. It is a purely defensive precognition, but it is always active and gives him precise enough details. If Usopp is operating with his Haki only by concentrating hard, then I don’t see how it plays any factor in this fight outside of luck.
If she can hit Deku through his defense oriented precognition, then why would she not be able to hit Usopp through his infrequent Haki that might not even be defensive enough to help him here?
Showing that he didn't sense them.We were surrounded?
Now I could work off of this based on the simple feat of Usopp to scale him to Luffy's feats, his many many feats.Usopp's "uncontrollable inept Haki" > Luffy's at that point.
I mean, if that’s wrong idk. Im just using what I know of One Piece and what’s on the wiki. If that’s a problem with his profile then yeah, it should be changed based on his feats."Luffy of Marineford" ok now, I could've sworn that got axed.
Whoever typed this up needs to fight me, because this isn't a thing.
Usopp being around the tiers of people with uncontrollable glimpses who passively hear everything in a multi mile radius is funny. But let's work with it.
Usopp could casually sense Carrot, a mink, while Luffy couldn't sense a plethora of minks around him.
Showing that he didn't sense them.
Usopp's "uncontrollable inept Haki" > Luffy's at that point.
Deku's feats consist of sensing things that are in plain sight. Usopp's few feats and his scaling are above that.
Usopp can't "possibly do it sometimes", this is blatantly incorrect, he can do it whenever he wishes. So now this needs to be tackled.
Scaling Usopp who can actually control his Kenbunshoku above others who can't control it like Koby, who can passively sense people while he doesn't want to, or Asia, who can do the same thing to people moving far faster than her speed or people massively far away.
Usopp's Kenbunshoku also has Accelerated Development (all Haki does), so his sensing will overtime get better as he fights and snipes. From my knowledge, Deku does not have that.
Can Usopp replicate all of Enel’s feats? Because he didn’t even have Haki at that point. So was Usopp at that time just astronomically above Luffy in speed or something?Now I could work off of this based on the simple feat of Usopp to scale him to Luffy's feats, his many many feats.
Now, I'm seeing "Nagant can deal with Deku's precog so she can deal with Usopp's" Usopp dodged attacks from Enel who could read and time attacks on Luffy. Do I need to list Enel's feats too or no? Because he has good ones.
I meant that Deku has never had to sense somebody with stealth. Everybody Deku senses, if the eye can see it, he can too.I mean, if that’s wrong idk. Im just using what I know of One Piece and what’s on the wiki. If that’s a problem with his profile then yeah, it should be changed based on his feats.
Deku does not sense things that are in plain sight? What are you talking about? He could sense danger happening to people kilometers away, it’s just there needs to be danger present. It alerts him to attacks coming from literally any direction, not just ones he can see, that would make it gerrible
Sensing people is the main ability he does, but all because he hasn't showcased it doesn't mean he can't do it.Is sensing people the only ability his Haki has? Because that’s not even precognition and definitely not going to help him avoid her bullets when they’re reaching him faster than he can see.
He scales above others. All Kenbun is the same, the abilities listed on the blog linked in the haki page apply to every kenbunshoku user.Can I just get some feats of Usopp using his Haki to dodge? The sensing ability doesn’t make sense to me without that portion of it.
I'm saying that how you can scale Nagant to sniping someone with precog is how I can scale Usopp to dodging Enel's attacks.Can Usopp replicate all of Enel’s feats? Because he didn’t even have Haki at that point. So was Usopp at that time just astronomically above Luffy in speed or something?
Good grief, i'll respond to each of your points seperately apparently you won't let me have the time to do..... I want to say that having Precognition doesn't automatically grant you omnipotent, because just like every ability even precognition has weaknesses, especially Deku's danger senses as well. For examples; if you are faster than precognition user he can't do anything, if you spam AOE attacks he cannot dodge, you outhax him if he doesn't resist it's a GG, etc etc.Deku having pseudo precognition is better than what Usopp has going for him. Deku’s Danger Sense alerts him to danger before it has happened, or at a point in time that he can react to it before it has even reached him. I don’t know what about that is considered bad to you, but Precognition is Precognition. And Nagant blitzed him right through it several times.
What do reactions matter when, with speed equal, she is blitzing him with her bullets? And he has no way of avoiding her curved shots? If she shoots at him, he is getting hit unless he somehow instantly realizes everything she has in her Arsenal, which he doesn’t because neither have knowledge, and it wouldn’t help him either way. He cannot react to her bullets in speed equal.
Give me examples of people with good precognition that Usopp has sniped completely unaided from hundreds of meters away. Mentioning those CP9 rejects like they could do anything in the New World when Usopp fought them is insulting.
I mean, I’d reserve judgement on that considering he’s about to fight an invisible girl, but I don’t really see the detriment to most of those showings? Nagant’s bullets were faster than him and he still picked up on them and dodged, so saying “because it isn’t a hidden phenomenon, it isn’t impressive” seems like a massive downplay to me. That’s like saying if he dodged a thousand attacks at the exact same time due to his precog that it still sucks because you can see the attacks.I meant that Deku has never had to sense somebody with stealth. Everybody Deku senses, if the eye can see it, he can too.
Deku's first feat was sensing Shigaraki's presence.
Deku's second feat was sensing that Giantman was breaking out of jean ropes.
Deku's third feat was sensing that a rampaging asshat by the name of Muscular was nearby.
Deku's fourth feat was him sensing his big ass swings and predicting moves.
Deku's fifth feat was him sensing a bullet near him.
Deku's feats are "oh snap this is happening" while Usopp scales above far more.
Sensing people is the main ability he does, but all because he hasn't showcased it doesn't mean he can't do it.
People don't have specialized portions of Kenbunshoku except the advanced future sight users. One user who has Kenbunshoku can do everything listed in the page. This is the basics of Kenbunshoku. (Here, here, and here)
The basic portion of Kenbunshoku is precognition, sensing people's actions before the action is thrown. Usopp's long range sensing is the one that's most emphasized on because he's a sniper, but he scales to all the several other feats.
He scales above others. All Kenbun is the same, the abilities listed on the blog linked in the haki page apply to every kenbunshoku user.
I'm saying that how you can scale Nagant to sniping someone with precog is how I can scale Usopp to dodging Enel's attacks.
I mean, I know Haki is more versatile. I’m speaking purely from a defensive standpoint. Danger Sense works solely for defense, so I’d like to know what defensive applications for Haki Usopp has.Good grief, i'll respond to each of your points seperately apparently you won't let me have the time to do..... I want to say that having Precognition doesn't automatically grant you omnipotent, because just like every ability even precognition has weaknesses, especially Deku's danger senses as well. For examples; if you are faster than precognition user he can't do anything, if you spam AOE attacks he cannot dodge, you outhax him if he doesn't resist it's a GG, etc etc.
Now regarding Danger sense: "This Quirk allows the user to detect any potential threats in the surrounding area, thus giving the user the opportunity to properly react to them quickly, similar to a sixth sense. The detection of a threat is described by Izuku as a sharp stabbing sensation in his head." Sounds like every basic precognition aka a sixth sense you are making it sound like OP except it is not. First of all, danger sense can detect attacks as they come flying at him and impending threats. Key words "detect", he can't see it in literal senses, meaning if he faced against an unknown opponent he only knows that danger is coming, but doesn't exactly know what kind of "attack". During his fight with Nagant, Deku initially underestimated her because she is a sniper, he used his knowledge on how to deal with Snipers, in Deku's own words "The best way to handle a sniper is to get close", judging by Deku's objective he wanted to negotiate with Nagant, rather than one shotting when he had the chance to do, but huge emphasis on underestimated, Nagant surprised him and Deku was momentarily off-guard. If Deku's danger senses were that strong, shouldn't he have expected Nagant to shoot him from a close distance which further proves my point that his danger senses has its weaknesses and limits, He can be still caught off-guard by elements of surprise, an enemy faster than him, or attacks meant to overwhelm his foes. He only can sense/detect. His range is limited to his surroundings and himself, he can't "see" what kind of attack his danger senses altering him, his danger senses doesn't grant him instinctive reaction or something like that it only enhances his reaction speed, basically it's just a passive sixth sense.
HAKI VS DANGER SENSE:
It's exactly what King said, all base haki works the same, therefore Usopp just like the others get access to inept Haki user abilities. Before that, I'll explain to you the primary difference between them. Allow me to explain Observation Haki, this type of haki allows the user to see another person through their "Aura", be it buildings, strategically hidden or camouflaged, even invincibility, which is a mental image of coloured silhouette of them on a dark background as demonstrated when Usopp sniped sugar or how Issho sees the world.
- Emotion sensing (part 1): Korby was traumatized after sensing the emotions of many people meeting their deaths and other emotions, Koby sensed the emotions of all marine soldiers and pirates in marineford. Prior to the war, whitebeard brought all his men from the new world in order to rescue Ace, and the Marine brought all marine soldiers, human weapons (Pacifistas) and the Shichibukai (against their will, that's how important this war was!). My point here is, you can easily assume that Koby sensed over 200+ soldiers and pirates, it's an astonishing feat, but there is more.
- Emotion sensing (part 2): Aisa that little girl from Skypia arc, she can sense when people die or fall unconscious as well as the feelings of others. She was able to tell where Enel was, despite him traveling at lightning speed,. More astoundingly, she knew the exact numbers of how many people were defeated in Skypia, basically an entire island.
- Emotion sensing (Part 3): Eneru, is pretty self-explanatory, (I'm aware that his fruit further amplified his observation haki). My main point here is, his Haki was stated to be the best amongst priests, and each of the priests' haki were good enough to sense the exact same numbers of warriors as well.
That concluded emotion sensing, Observation haki grants them also to see a brief precognition of the Future, contrary to danger sense, Observation haki user can see a brief glimpse into the future, luffy vs marigold and sandersonia and Luffy vs mihakw. When luffy was restrained by sandersonia, she "SAW" that luffy would attempt to kick her with his left leg. Similarly how, Satori knew where Luffy would hit her and which limbs he attemped to use before the attack even happened.
Now let's see which qualities is better: Danger sense - Precognition and (Emotion senses?). Observation haki - Extrasensory perception, telephaty, precognition, information analysis, enhanced senses and instinctive reaction. Depending on the user, naturally large range, and Future sight only for advanced haki users.
Don't get me wrong, danger senses is good and all, but it's pale in comparison with Observation haki, i could list off more abilites of each inept observation haki user or rudimentary haki user, but i personally think i don't add more things.
Usopp's observation haki is the same as everyone's unless said otherwise. We already have seen that every observation haki user can predict attacks before they happens, even Satoria (he was stated by Enel to be inexperienced with Observation Haki) could do that as well and the three other priests. We don't treat Usopp differently just because he recently unlocked his observation hakiI mean, I know Haki is more versatile. I’m speaking purely from a defensive standpoint. Danger Sense works solely for defense, so I’d like to know what defensive applications for Haki Usopp has.
But if it’s recently unlocked, why does it scale to anyone else’s observation Haki? Does he even know what he’s doing or how to actively apply it like other people? Because if it’s infrequent, wouldn’t he just be in possession of an ability that he hasn’t mastered and thus can’t use to its fullest potential?Usopp's observation haki is the same as everyone's unless said otherwise. We already have seen that every observation haki user can predict attacks before they happens, even Satoria (he was stated by Enel to be inexperienced with Observation Haki) could do that as well and the three other priests. We don't treat Usopp differently just because he recently unlocked his observation haki
Oh? now you admit reaction speed is irrelevant here, but brought up deku's precognition, even though he was momentarily caught off guard by Nagant and originally wanted to negotiate with her rather than instantly one shotting her.. Could you refrain from saying "she'll blitz him" when OP explicitly stated speed is equalized, as long as the gap isn't 1.5x or 2x it's not considered a blitz even with speed amps, and Usopp in this thread can react to her bullets since speed is equalized, i mean isn't that the point of equalizing the speed in the first place?What do reactions matter when, with speed equal, she is blitzing him with her bullets? And he has no way of avoiding her curved shots? If she shoots at him, he is getting hit unless he somehow instantly realizes everything she has in her Arsenal, which he doesn’t because neither have knowledge, and it wouldn’t help him either way. He cannot react to her bullets in speed equal.
He is in the new world, knowing what Haki is common knowledge. Especially, the fact that Usopp is associated with many Observation haki users, him not knowing "Haki" doesn't feel right, as Law from the very beginning made it clear that only those who possess Haki can beat Ceaser. Naturally, he can't use Haki at its fullest, however that doesn't necessarily mean that he won't be unable to dodge attacks far faster than him. Regarding him dodging Enel's lightning wasn't just a gag, he did is twice when he and nami successfully escaped from the maxim. Also, Nami is capable of dodging her own Thunderbolt tempo, it essentially means the feat is consistent as she nullified Enel's thunder with her own in order to do she needed the reaction speed to pull it off.But if it’s recently unlocked, why does it scale to anyone else’s observation Haki? Does he even know what he’s doing or how to actively apply it like other people? Because if it’s infrequent, wouldn’t he just be in possession of an ability that he hasn’t mastered and thus can’t use to its fullest potential?
I think you’re missing my point a bit? Her bullets are far faster than Deku was and he would’ve died to her if he didn’t have Danger Sense, a basically permanently active detection barrier that allowed him to react to her shots before they hit him, but even then was going to lose until he blitzed her with his speed amp. Usopp is going to be in the same predicament, so I’m trying to see why he would be able to do better than Deku if his version of precognition doesn’t seem as reliable? I’m looking for the feats of his Haki that actually matter to dodging her attacks.Oh? now you admit reaction speed is irrelevant here, but brought up deku's precognition, even though he was momentarily caught off guard by Nagant and originally wanted to negotiate with her rather than instantly one shotting her.. Could you refrain from saying "she'll blitz him" when OP explicitly stated speed is equalized, as long as the gap isn't 1.5x or 2x it's not considered a blitz even with speed amps, and Usopp in this thread can react to her bullets since speed is equalized, i mean isn't that the point of equalizing the speed in the first place?
I know he knows about observation Haki, but if he can’t use it to it’s actual potential, why are we assuming he can use it to an effect that he can trivialize attacks that can blitz him? What tier of Haki is he scaling to that he actively understands and can properly use? And if lightning speed is consistent, aren’t the both of them just lightning speed? So how is that a matter of Usopp without Haki being better than Enel with observation Haki?He is in the new world, knowing what Haki is common knowledge. Especially, the fact that Usopp is associated with many Observation haki users, him not knowing "Haki" doesn't feel right, as Law from the very beginning made it clear that only those who possess Haki can beat Ceaser. Naturally, he can't use Haki at its fullest, however that doesn't necessarily mean that he won't be unable to dodge attacks far faster than him. Regarding him dodging Enel's lightning wasn't just a gag, he did is twice when he and nami successfully escaped from the maxim. Also, Nami is capable of dodging her own Thunderbolt tempo, it essentially means the feat is consistent as she nullified Enel's thunder with her own in order to do she needed the reaction speed to pull it off.
You lost me at the last part, because if you dodge a thousand attacks at the same exact time, that's a feat right there. But I understand your point.I mean, I’d reserve judgement on that considering he’s about to fight an invisible girl, but I don’t really see the detriment to most of those showings? Nagant’s bullets were faster than him and he still picked up on them and dodged, so saying “because it isn’t a hidden phenomenon, it isn’t impressive” seems like a massive downplay to me. That’s like saying if he dodged a thousand attacks at the exact same time due to his precog that it still sucks because you can see the attacks.
Because Kenbun isn't like "oh he's good at long range but not with precog" that's not how it works. Usopp has access to all the basic abilities. He's sensed people that others cannot sense (Kin'emon and Luffy), so he scales above that feat. And he sensed Carrot at the same time as Zoro and Law, 2 characters with good Haki.That seems strange to me though. So it’s just assumed that, even if he never displays any feats even near the same level, that he has the same tier of Haki as anyone else does? How do you even quantify that? Like, if he’s scaling to people that can actively see several seconds into the future, why does he never do that himself? Does he just never fight anymore? Why emphasize his long range sensing and not anything else that would be ridiculously useful for him not dying? Does he have any actual feats? And if Haki can be specialized and constantly adapts, why CAN’T he only be severely proficient in one part but not another? And what precognition feats is he scaling to, but for some reason never displays himself?
Fair thenAfter looking up the feat of Usopp dodging Enel, I cannot possibly take it seriously. At best he is the same as Nami who could also dodge attacks from Enel. I don’t see why Enel would ever exert the same effort he did against Luffy on Usopp or why a single instance of him attacking Usopp is supposed to display his ability to react to people with precog even though the entire scene is one of the most obvious “laugh at this funny dodge” moments I’ve seen.
I'll use it as a last resort.The naked eye can see 3 miles away and Usopp was about to snipe someone while someone with a range sensing amp couldn't sense that person with his naked eye, so Usopp > those 3 miles, which means Usopp > her sniping range, which is 3km
Saying something is faster without elaborating further or specifying how fast said character is, is irrelevant here. Again, speed is equalized nobody is blitzing anyone unless her speed amp is 1.5x or 2x she ain't blitzing Usopp, you are apparently missing my point Deku underestimated her at first because she is a sniper, furthermore he wanted to negotiate with her if he was serious from the very beginning he could've defeated her the moment he caught her off-guard via his smokescreen.I think you’re missing my point a bit? Her bullets are far faster than Deku was and he would’ve died to her if he didn’t have Danger Sense, a basically permanently active detection barrier that allowed him to react to her shots before they hit him, but even then was going to lose until he blitzed her with his speed amp. Usopp is going to be in the same predicament, so I’m trying to see why he would be able to do better than Deku if his version of precognition doesn’t seem as reliable? I’m looking for the feats of his Haki that actually matter to dodging her attacks.
I never claimed that Usopp's observation haki is better than Enel, my point was that he can dodge things before they happen because of his cowardly nature but will still take significant damage. So can you kindly refrain from putting words into my words i never said nor implied that.I know he knows about observation Haki, but if he can’t use it to it’s actual potential, why are we assuming he can use it to an effect that he can trivialize attacks that can blitz him? What tier of Haki is he scaling to that he actively understands and can properly use? And if lightning speed is consistent, aren’t the both of them just lightning speed? So how is that a matter of Usopp without Haki being better than Enel with observation Haki?
He doesn't need to, his impact wolf can also do the same but much better, as well as attacking flying enemies. Usopp himself said that a lot of plants can attack flying enemiesAlso
Yo can't Usopp absorb the force of her bullets with the impact dial?
Not, really. But, only Impact wolf comes close to homing (we are still waiting for the big revision)Question, does Usopp's have attacks that have homing properties?
He can. For example, his Hissatsu Fire Bird Star: Usopp fires what can be assumed to be a very strong Kaen Boshi in the shape of a massive phoenix, it also seems to summon a massive ring of fire once it makes contact. Exploding Pine Cones Usopp shoots out a pinecone that detonates, creating many sphere-like explosions. And plenty of other abilites.Can he remotely detonate his shots, or do they have to impact something.
We are currently debating this, in my opinion, given Usopp's character he will dodge instinctively out of fear (not implying instinctive reaction) and Usopp's reaction speed in general is pretty good. However he will take some significant damage, but not fatal enough to instantly killing him.And can his own Haki, via his own shown feats, detect projectiles like Nagant's bullets?
We are currently waiting for the big revision, so the pages are still outdated.This seems to be a common problem in the wiki in general, for many different verses. Since there is no homing attack on his actual profile.
Why does everyone assume that Usopp can't deal with flying enemies. Luffy himself was extremely confident in Usopp's sniping skills, while Law was worried that Ceaser is out of his room range. Usopp's own wordsWhen I'm asking remote detonation, I asking if Nagant dodges his attack can he just make it explode near her to hit her anyway? Nagant's going to be flying in the air, so there's nothing for a projectile to make contact to. So can he cause the projectile to explode or activate mid air being dodged?
Not reallyQuestion, does Usopp's have attacks that have homing properties?
Can he remotely detonate his shots, or do they have to impact something.
Most of them need impact.When I'm asking remote detonation, I asking if Nagant dodges his attack, can he just make his projectile explode near her even though it missed? Nagant's going to be flying in the air, so there's nothing for a projectile to make contact to. So can he cause the projectile to explode or activate in mid air without touching anything?
Via his own feats, no. Via scaling, most likely.And can his own Haki, via his own shown feats, detect projectiles like Nagant's bullets?
I never said they were hard to detect, Usopp's page just says his Haki lets him locate people, with intense concentration.What properties do they have that make them hard to detect?
If we’ve established that Danger Sense and Haki are two very different things, then you have to provide the reasoning that Usopp can replicate dodging her attacks. So far, none of what I’ve seen has given him precognition? All it has been is sensing where the enemy is from a long distance. Even the picture of the guy you gave that escaped while only being a head wasn’t seeing their movements, it was sensing where they were and avoiding them entirely. He wasn’t fighting, he was running for his life. So even if you scale Usopp above him, he didn’t display any precognition.You lost me at the last part, because if you dodge a thousand attacks at the same exact time, that's a feat right there. But I understand your point.
Because Kenbun isn't like "oh he's good at long range but not with precog" that's not how it works. Usopp has access to all the basic abilities. He's sensed people that others cannot sense (Kin'emon and Luffy), so he scales above that feat. And he sensed Carrot at the same time as Zoro and Law, 2 characters with good Haki.
Fair then
Usopp was about to snipe Sugar relying on somebody else's sight. Kin'emon, a beautiful Kenbunshoku Haki user, who could fight and sense people's moves without his head attached to his body, couldn't see Sugar, who Usopp was about to snipe before he even knew he had Kenbunshoku Haki.
Before I use irl logic and say
I'll use it as a last resort.
And why are we discussing range? The OP has 500 meters as the initial distance.
Also.
Nagant is a sniper who can walk on air. That's it. It's very nice, but she's not versatile.
Usopp flat out said that flying doesn't mean anything to him.
Usopp will distract the hell out of her. Usopp knows how to hide in plain sight. Nagant got tricked by Deku throwing a scarf in smoke. Usopp's smoke is massively larger than this small smoke that Deku let off.
Usopp's ammo isn't just bullets like Nagants. And although her rapid fire is good/betterthanUsopp with the multiple directions, Usopp will rapid snipe her the same way.
What's she doing to getting blinded and gassed?
What's she doing if Usopp acts like he got hit and she comes in closer for him to handle her?
She's predicting Usopp's position I admit, she's not predicting Usopp's arsenal.
Voting Usopp for now at least
Let’s take a look at what we have Nagant rated for attack speed, shall we?Saying something is faster without elaborating further or specifying how fast said character is, is irrelevant here. Again, speed is equalized nobody is blitzing anyone unless her speed amp is 1.5x or 2x she ain't blitzing Usopp, you are apparently missing my point Deku underestimated her at first because she is a sniper, furthermore he wanted to negotiate with her if he was serious from the very beginning he could've defeated her the moment he caught her off-guard via his smokescreen.
The primary differences between Deku and Usopp is, Usopp is a sniper and has superior marksmanship, while deku has plenty of good range attacks. But when it comes to range and marksmanship Usopp is without a doubt better, why would he even need to engage in close combat with her than deku did to her? why would you assume he won't open with his sleep hax which he uses in-character. Before you say Nagant is immune to distractions, she was distracted by Deku's smokescreen and also the wiki stated she, Her sight is seemingly unaffected by either darkness or weather conditions such as heavy rainfall. Nothing suggets she is immune to Usopp's smokescreen, Deku vs Nagant proved the opposite.
King.... We've already established that Usopp can dodge things far faster than him (even if it mean taking damage) prior to the moment he unlocked Haki, i don't need to prove that again. You even accepted Usopp dodging Enel's lighting as a legitimate feat, so what point would it be to show you something that every Observation haki throughout the series did, including characters inexperienced with Observation Haki, to make it crystal clear the moment he unlocked haki he get access to other inept haki user abilites unless said otherwhie.If we’ve established that Danger Sense and Haki are two very different things, then you have to provide the reasoning that Usopp can replicate dodging her attacks. So far, none of what I’ve seen has given him precognition? All it has been is sensing where the enemy is from a long distance. Even the picture of the guy you gave that escaped while only being a head wasn’t seeing their movements, it was sensing where they were and avoiding them entirely. He wasn’t fighting, he was running for his life. So even if you scale Usopp above him, he didn’t display any precognition.
Range matters of course, but if we wanna talk about skills, sure. Since early in the series, he was shown to have inherited much of his father Yasopp's exceptional marksman skills. Usopp has outstanding marksmanship abilities with the slingshot, His marksmanship is nearly unmatched, accurately hitting Spandam and some Marines from a vast distance of over a mile out-distancing even the guns the Marines had with the wind against it, WITH ONLY A SLINGSHOT. Not even Robin, Zoro and Sanji could detect where Usopp's location was. Her flying is irrelevant, Usopp has consistently proven to be able to know where his target is going to move. He spent 2 years, hunting animals which obviously included flying enemies.The obscene downplay being put upon Lady Nagant’s skill and abilities is ridiculous. No one has addressed the numerous claims of curving bullets as well as the calculations that run through her head every time she fires a shot. I haven’t even brought up her bullets that split apart into more bullets, I already said her range matters since she can just fly out of his range and he can’t do anything about it, her shots are faster than his, her prediction abilities have so far been shown better than his, and everything in his Arsenal requires her to either be completely unaware of it happening in order to hit her or Usopp to display an obscene amount of Observation Haki proficiency.
Does that really matter here when Usopp doesn't engage in close combat as deku in the first place? Distracting his enemies is in Usopp's character that's how he defeated all his previous enemies, by baiting them into his traps. Ah yes, btw "Usopp doesn’t have the same level of mobility Deku had that he needed to even get into the position required for him to distract Lady Nagant. Him hiding doesn’t matter when she can see where he is going and is predicting his movements without needing to see him. If he tries to fire first, he’s lost, because her shots are going to come out first. If he tries running, she shoots curving bullets that hit him in the back, legs and heart before he even makes it 20 meters. His best bet is literally his observation Haki kicking in so he can make a smokescreen then blast her with sleep gas, hoping she hasn’t flown a kilometer away from the smokescreen and out of his range. That is his win condition. None of his other plants matter other than his smokescreen and sleep bomb, because any other plants die before they hit her or get dodged.
You are implying that Usopp won't tank it, as long as it's not a fatal inury, why should he pretend to be dead? "She spent decades assassinating people" just like the CP9 Agents which Usopp snipped who are specifically trained to kill any threat to the World Government. How many cunning, strong and monstrous pirates do you think exist in One piece? plenty of them. CP9 agents are stronger than a skilled marine soldier whose doriki is 10, a normal agent has 50 or more.If Usopp acts like he got hit, she shoots another shot into his corpse. She’s spent decades assassinating people, you think she doesn’t know to double tap or will just get tricked cause it looked like he got hit? She shoots backup bullets for her backup bullets. 95% of his Arsenal becomes worthless the moment the fight starts, and unless he instantly recognizes that, he is dead.
How would you know that weakness? is she apparently omniscient?When did I say he needed to get in close combat? His win condition is smokescreen > Nagant not flying out of his range > sleep bomb from smoke (and apparently that can be countered by her just holding her breath, unless that description isn’t accurate)