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Alright.I finish classes next week, so I'll have more time to focus on this.
I think Wadatsumi Just Resistance to Oven Heat and that not scale At all.Can we scale Franky to Oven?
Franky > Surume > Wadatsumi > Oven's heat
I think Wadatsumi Just Resistance to Oven Heat and that not scale At all.
It's would be considered as Durability negation
Looks like he took it, and
YupSo scaling Franky's missiles in this page?
I know no method for it off head.Do we not have any formula for calcing underwater explosions?
The heat clearly went through Wadatsumi's body. Wadatsumi did not tank the hit, he merely endured the damage.Heat doesn't negate durability unless stated...
Heat is energy and therefore has AP
Endured the damage... while having the attack literally go through his body and hit his internal organs...The heat clearly went through Wadatsumi's body. Wadatsumi did not tank the hit, he merely endured the damage.
Endured the damage... while having the attack literally go through his body and hit his internal organs...
He is only complaining about the heat. He Tanked the hit
This attack went through the Pacifista's body and he still technically tanked it.... Enduring the damage does not mean he tanked it. This isn't complicated.
The attack went THROUGH his body, so how would his durability scale to it? The attack clearly wounded him, he just didn't pass out or die from the hit cuz One Piece characters have crazy endurance.... It's a STAMINA feat, NOT Durability.
Tell me, if a sword went through my body and out the other side, and I continued fighting as if nothing were wrong, would my durability scale to the AP of the sword that just tore through me? No, instead the feat would be noted for endurance as it shows I can fight whilst suffering from grievous injuries.
This is exactly the same situation. We see the heat waves go straight through Wadatsumi's body, and his body it lit up in flame and he's shown in agony, but still pressing on.
This is a horrible comparison. Almost laughable...Tell me, if a sword went through my body and out the other side, and I continued fighting as if nothing were wrong, would my durability scale to the AP of the sword that just tore through me? No, instead the feat would be noted for endurance as it shows I can fight whilst suffering from grievous injuries.
Why would he use an attack many many times weaker than his natural Ap?I'm not sure why exactly that particular attack would be 7-A?
Because he fired several of those "torpedos" at once simultaneously but only one of them hit Wadatsumi. So if his total is 7-A, a fraction of that would have hit his target.Why would he use an attack many many times weaker than his natural Ap?
He is trying to attack the people who just invaded his Mothers territory and he even says “You slimey fish will not get away from me” showing he’s obviously trying to hurt him.
Unless you have any proof he is holding back massively in that moment yes that attack is 7-A
So do you have any narrative evidence to back up your claim?Because he fired several of those "torpedos" at once simultaneously but only one of them hit Wadatsumi. So if his total is 7-A, a fraction of that would have hit his target.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me how each of them would be equal to his full power either.I agree with josh piece here, it doesn’t make sense as to how each of them would be fractions of the 7-A, and damage has no way to prove that regardless.
Franky was using his "strongest moves" on him and he didn't even touch his missiles.Either way, I think we could do a little better at finding a better scaling method for Franky himself. This method wouldn't get us Franky's striking strength or durability.
A lot.What still needs to be discussed?
Right well for Franky this seems fine to me.Can we scale Franky to Oven?
Franky > Surume > Wadatsumi > Oven's heat
Same for me.Right well for Franky this seems fine to me.
So the revised scaling chain.Base Hody > Usopp and Nami > Buffalo > Baby 5 > Sai > Lao G > Chinjao
Dellinger > Ideo ~ Sai
Hajrudin > Machvise > Franky > Baby 5 and Buffalo
Orlumbus comparable
Bellamy ~ Base Luffy
Senor Pink ~ Franky
Leo and Giolla are unknown for now.
Makes 100% senseSo the revised scaling chain.
Baby 5 ~ Base Sai > Lao G ≥ No Haki Injured Chinjao
Dellinger > Ideo ~ Sai still
Hajrudin > Machvise > Base Franky > Surume > Wadatsumi > Oven
Bellamy ≤ Base Luffy
Senor Pink ~ Base Franky.
I still want Hody to scale above Usopp. Usopp feared his power while not getting scared of that much stuff post timeskip.
i also agree with this.Baby 5 ~ Base Sai > Lao G ≥ No Haki Injured Chinjao
Dellinger > Ideo ~ Sai still
Hajrudin > Machvise > Base Franky > Surume > Wadatsumi > Oven
Bellamy ≤ Base Luffy
Senor Pink ~ Base Franky.
Wadatsumi > Oven
I know being scared of someone isn’t AP. But didn’t you also agree to akainu > BB cause BB was scared of him?I'm really not a fan of the notion that just because he was scared, that base Hody Jones should scale to Usopp's durability.
Making somebody scared is not an Attack Potency feat.
Also, this?
How is Wadatsumi over Oven? He was being hurt just by experiencing a fraction of the heat caused by Oven boiling the sea that he was in. And I don't even know how ones goes about comparing him withstanding a heat feat to him being punched by Surume.
Can I ask why don't we just get more calced feats for people to actually scale to? Baby 5, Franky and Caeser produce explosions that can be calced in theory. Machvise's weight-based attacks can be calced, and so can Hajrudin for punching him to the top of the Birdcage. Even Don Sai's super kick against Lao G produces a large destructive shockwave that can be calced.
I just feel like I'm seeing an over-reliance on scaling chains here instead of trying to find out how powerful these characters actually are. Is it just because we want characters to scale to City level AP, even if almost all of them have feats not close to that level?
I think I probably said some along the lines of "It shows that Blackbeard doesn't feel he's ready to fight Akainu" but I wouldn't list that as Akainu's sole justification if that was the only reason for his tier.I know being scared of someone isn’t AP. But didn’t you also agree to akainu > BB cause BB was scared of him?
I mean in akainu’s case it makes 100% sense for his tiering. BB can literally fight garp, and sengoku, while pulling off a 14.3 TT feat, but being afraid to fight akainu, while having no problem with the ship. Pretty sure a justification like that is more than enough. Anyways, I still think Usopp should scale with Hody.I think I probably said some along the lines of "It shows that Blackbeard doesn't feel he's ready to fight Akainu" but I wouldn't list that as Akainu's sole justification if that was the only reason for his tier.
Yeah, but how much does it take to hurt Usopp?I mean in akainu’s case it makes 100% sense for his tiering. BB can literally fight garp, and sengoku, while pulling off a 14.3 TT feat, but being afraid to fight akainu, while having no problem with the ship. Pretty sure a justification like that is more than enough. Anyways, I still think Usopp should scale with Hody.
It is a viable way to powerscale tho. As explained here and I quoteI'm really not a fan of the notion that just because he was scared, that base Hody Jones should scale to Usopp's durability.
Making somebody scared is not an Attack Potency feat.
The reliable statement comes from usoop claiming:If Character A has a City level feat and Character B has been reliably stated to be superior to Character A, it is safe to assess that Character B is City level as well.
And then usopp being generally afraid of Base Hody strength. He isn’t a coward anymore drop that.I quote Usopp
Yep like how you suggested calculating Hody cracking a wall? Like come on be realistic.Can I ask why don't we just get more calced feats for people to actually scale to?