My Hero Academia - Scaling Revisions [Top Tier Edition]

[Kingofwolves999]

Now THAT I don’t know why. It works fine for me.

If you just want a chapter number, go to chapter 262, the panel is around page 5

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Page 3 actually

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I wanted to bring this up but the HE scaling to USJ Nomu is odd when their strength is portrayed as weaker than the USJ nomu such as never getting a direct statement like Shigaraki did or generating wind pressure like the USJ nomu or Shigaraki.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I wanted to bring this up but the HE scaling to USJ Nomu is odd when their strength is portrayed as weaker than the USJ nomu such as never getting a direct statement like Shigaraki did or generating wind pressure like the USJ nomu or Shigaraki.

USJ Nomu only made wind pressure when he was clashing with All Might, which of course would happen. Muscular is very obviously on par with 100% yet he never makes wind pressure with any of his attacks.

I think it’s just a choice of not using strength alone to move or attack. Unless we’re trying to say 20% Deku is stronger than anyone that doesn’t generate Wind Pressure

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

@AtomicSekiro

Here's the scan

 

[Kingofwolves999]

@AtomicSekiro

Here's the scan

How do you put in images, this site makes me upset at myself

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

How do you put in images, this site makes me upset at myself

1. Open Imgur and upload an image

2. Right click on the image once uploaded and open it in a new tab

3. Copy the URL

4. Put that URL in the Insert Image tab on VSBW Forum

5. Profit

 

[Metalballrun]

It might already be obvious but I've always been neutral to the High-Ends scaling to USJ Nomu.

Like remember when Deku was comparing Weakened All Might to Wounded All Might, even though we treat the former as weaker than the latter? Izuku visualized 100% punches as Wounded Might's weather-changing punch when talking about Weakened Might's going over 100%.

So I thought the USJ Nomu being represented as an Upper Tier Nomu is another moment similar to that, likely because the USJ Nomu is the most recognizable black nomu. But that it doesn't necessarily mean the High Ends scale to it.

But again, I am neutral to the topic, because I can still definitely see reasons why the High-Ends could scale, because of the same statements mentioned above, and that it seems like the logical conclusion with what Ujiko was trying to achieve with Shigaraki.

Also, I don't think the presence of air pressure or lack thereof are a reliable basis of strength especially amongst characters who do not possess OFA. It's only really consistent to a degree when it comes to OFA. Mirko's strikes doesn't always make air pressure, for example.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

USJ Nomu only made wind pressure when he was clashing with All Might, which of course would happen. Muscular is very obviously on par with 100% yet he never makes wind pressure with any of his attacks.

I think it’s just a choice of not using strength alone to move or attack. Unless we’re trying to say 20% Deku is stronger than anyone that doesn’t generate Wind Pressure

Not true. When he attempted to attack Bakugo he created enough wind that the surrounding trees, Deku, Kirishima and Todoroki were affected. Muscular made wind pressure when he broke Deku's arm. We could also use the anime were he made wind by attempting to kill Koda.

Anything wrong with that? 20% scales to literally no one this could affect and is just vaguely far above 8%. Heck by this wiki's standards, 20% could be 8A+ while 8% is High 8C.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Not true. When he attempted to attack Bakugo he created enough wind that the surrounding trees, Deku, Kirishima and Todoroki were affected. Muscular made wind pressure when he broke Deku's arm. We could also use the anime were he made wind by attempting to kill Koda.

Anything wrong with that? 20% scales to literally no one and is just vaguely far above 8%.

That would mean 20% is above all High End Nomu because they don’t make wind pressure as often as he does.

You mean when he punches All Might? Then why are you discounting when the High Ends hit Mirko so hard they generated Air Pressure too? Chapter 261 when they first wake up and hit Mirko, they launch her right into the wall so hard it looks like they broke the sound barrier.

When he broke his arm? You mean on 5% at the start? That’s barely any wind pressure at all. Theres just an impact then Deku getting punted into the mountainside.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Also, I don't think the presence of air pressure or lack thereof are a reliable basis of strength especially amongst characters who do not possess OFA. It's only really consistent to a degree when it comes to OFA. Mirko's strikes doesn't always make air pressure, for example.

Characters don't always do it but Horikoshi makes it a point to have every AM tier character do it at least once and supplements it with a feat and statement like with Deku, Shigaraki, Nomu etc. The HE never do and funnily enough downscale from Mirko's strength since she repeatedly tears through them like butter.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

That would mean 20% is above all High End Nomu because they don’t make wind pressure as often as he does.

You mean when he punches All Might? Then why are you discounting when the High Ends hit Mirko so hard they generated Air Pressure too? Chapter 261 when they first wake up and hit Mirko, they launch her right into the wall so hard it looks like they broke the sound barrier.

When he broke his arm? You mean on 5% at the start? That’s barely any wind pressure at all. Theres just an impact then Deku getting punted into the mountainside.

Yh anything wrong with that? If anything it fits since Mirio is scared to get hit by a HE and 20% can break the bones of characters tougher than Mirio.

The argument is air pressure not a sonic boom or impact effect or something. 8% can make sonic booms for crying out loud. What we're talking about is wind something that all AM tier characters have done except the HE.

There's still wind something the HE haven't done and once again there's at the start when he tries to kill Kota and during his clash with Deku. Muscualr unlike the HE also has the distinction of actually fighting someone of AM calibre.

 

[Metalballrun]

Characters don't always do it but Horikoshi makes it a point to have every AM tier character do it at least once. The HE never do and funnily enough downscale from Mirko's strength since she repeatedly tears through them like butter.

Well, didn't Mirko do it at least once, though? It was to intercept Dabi at 191, and it was a pretty big shockwave at that, and it probably wasn't even a full-powered kick considering it did practically zero damage to the ground.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Well, didn't Mirko do it at least once, though? It was to intercept Dabi at 191, and it was a pretty big shockwave at that, and it probably wasn't even a full-powered kick considering it did practically zero damage to the ground.

If it didn't damage the ground then it must've been a weak shockwave since AM's can tear through stone. Mirko making shockwaves then just implies she's at least 20% tier. Mirko also doesn't have the feats of fighting AM calibre characters or any statement to boost her whatsoever.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

I thought one of the quirks that launched Mirko was something like an Air Cannon type, not brute strength.

USJ Nomu can be considered an upper tier Nomu but he can’t be a high end because, again, he has no intelligence, but it’s clear he’s FAAAAR above any other High End or Upper Tier as the lowest Upper Tier beneath him was shown, at best, throwing cars and fighting but not one shooting and blitzing other fodder heroes and then instantly died to Endeavour, as we’ve seen. Unless you want to make the statement that heroes like Crust, Native and all the other people are comparable to High Ends and thus USJ All Might as they were not instantly blasted across the ground as blood smears.

Saying All High Ends are = to Hood who is > USJ Nomu means you are indirectly saying current 30-45% Deku is > 100% USJ All Might which... makes no sense...?

Even when All Might was at his absolute weakest against All For One, Endeavour could do nothing except stall All For One for a few moments. If he was comparable to USJ All Might he couldve just swapped places and won the day and keep The Symbol of Peace alive and working but that clearly didn’t happen.

 

[Gitagon]

It might already be obvious but I've always been neutral to the High-Ends scaling to USJ Nomu.

Like remember when Deku was comparing Weakened All Might to Wounded All Might, even though we treat the former as weaker than the latter? Izuku visualized 100% punches as Wounded Might's weather-changing punch when talking about Weakened Might's going over 100%.

So I thought the USJ Nomu being represented as an Upper Tier Nomu is another moment similar to that, likely because the USJ Nomu is the most recognizable black nomu. But that it doesn't necessarily mean the High Ends scale to it.

But again, I am neutral to the topic, because I can still definitely see reasons why the High-Ends could scale, because of the same statements mentioned above, and that it seems like the logical conclusion with what Ujiko was trying to achieve with Shigaraki.

Also, I don't think the presence of air pressure or lack thereof are a reliable basis of strength especially amongst characters who do not possess OFA. It's only really consistent to a degree when it comes to OFA. Mirko's strikes doesn't always make air pressure, for example.

Its just that most tiers don't take into account specific quirks especially for Nomus.

USJ Nomu should be top 5 in terms of blunt force durability in MHA. The only quirks better or around the same level as Shock Absorption, is Stock (Absorption & Release), Impact Recoil, Muscular full muscle armor and Gigantomachia's various defensive quirks.

None of the other Nomus or High-ends scale to USJ Nomu in this case. And All Might was ridiculously stronger than USJ Nomu considering his punches still made USJ Nomus arm ripple despite the shock absorption.

And even after exchanging hundreds of blows, All Might didn't take damage apart from a blow directly to his weak spot.

If it weren't for Shock Absorption, All Might could have easily ended that fight. However, the ratings obviously don't take this into account. No other Nomu even the High-ends would be able to go so many rounds against All Might since their defence won't hold up.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

A reminder that USJ Nomu wasn’t even defeated by All Might, just sent far enough away that he couldn’t be ordered around anymore.

If he was a High End, he would have returned and killed everyone standing and then slaughtered the heroes and cops.

So saying that Near High Ends are comparable to USJ Nomu is like saying Endeavour would have a decent chance against defeating All Might when the series clearly states and shows the INSANE gap between them. USJ Nomu is an outlier. The doctor even says they have “at least the strength of ten men combined” but USJ Nomu hurt All Might who is clearly WAY ABOVE the “strength of ten men combined”.

 

[Metalballrun]

If it didn't damage the ground then it must've been a weak shockwave since AM's can tear through stone. Mirko making shockwaves then just implies she's at least 20% tier. Mirko also doesn't have the feats of fighting AM calibre characters or any statement to boost her whatsoever.

We don't really know what percentage All Might was using when he made those shockwaves. The two feats are a bit incomparable as well with regards to their execution.
If we're not gonna scale the High-Ends to the USJ Nomu then no, she doesn't. But she probably still scales or is comparable to Endeavor who could somewhat hurt Shigaraki with blunt force, if I'm not mistaken.

A reminder that USJ Nomu wasn’t even defeated by All Might, just sent far enough away that he couldn’t be ordered around anymore.

It wasn't killed, but it was certainly defeated. It was shown to be knocked out cold in the manga.

The doctor even says they have “at least the strength of ten men combined”

I get your argument but this is a weak one. This isn't a quantifiable statement, even weaker Nomus are beyond the strength of ten humans IRL combined.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

We don't really know what percentage All Might was using when he made those shockwaves. The two feats are a bit incomparable as well with regards to their execution.
If we're not gonna scale the High-Ends to the USJ Nomu then no, she doesn't. But she probably still scales or is comparable to Endeavor who could somewhat hurt Shigaraki with blunt force, if I'm not mistaken.

Whatever he used had more power and range than Mirko. Heck 20%'s tornado from heroes rising was more impressive than what she did.

You mean when he punched Shigaraki? He took no damage from that.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

When the police found it, it was very much concious and very much undamaged.

The “20% tornado” feat from Heroes Rising has always bothered me. Right after, it cuts back to Nine and Deku and the ground beneath them is fine and the very nearby trees are completely unscratched. Feels like an animating mistake.

 

[Therefir]

The “20% tornado” feat from Heroes Rising has always bothered me. Right after, it cuts back to Nine and Deku and the ground beneath them is fine and the very nearby trees are completely unscratched. Feels like an animating mistake.

Before making the calculation, we made sure to check that the objects rotating around the tornado were actual trees, so the only animation error, or rather drawing error, was not to show the damaged landscape.

As for the High-Ends' strength, they already have feats supporting their scaling, such as Hood causing severe damage to Endeavor, who can take hits from Shigaraki, who was stated to be "the perfected Nomu" by Aizawa while showing an image of the USJ Nomu.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Didn’t he say “he’s like a perfected Nomu?!” when showing USJ Nomu, making the current scaling logic false, as that means USJ Nomu is a “perfect Nomu” in sheer strength whilst High Ends are not?

Hood is a particulary strong High End as the High Ends shown fighting the other heroes and Mirko were Near High Ends, not a complete High End like Hood.

In terms of blunt force, Hood wasn’t doing too much damage to Endeavour. It was his stabbing attacks that were dangerous. Shigaraki mostly only punched Endeavour but when he did use his piercing move he skewered Endeavour just as easily if not more so, and Shigaraki was basically a walking, burnt, decaying corpse at this moment.

 

[TheRustyOne]

USJ Nomu matched All Might's strength and bruised his arm with a single punch, only being overpowered when he went beyond 100% of his power. Anime scenes do not relevance on anything, any scene that only happened in the anime will be ignored as they are not in the original manga and are made by the anime staff not Horikoshi.

I honestly don't think Shigaraki is as strong USJ Nomu as of yet, and that's for one reason.

Chapter 21 "After all that trouble we went through to make him as strong as All Might." The Doctor talking about the USJ Nomu.

Chapter 276 "It's not quite on par with All Might, sadly." The Doctor talking about Shigaraki's strength.

The doctor can confidently state the USJ Nomu is as strong as All Might, but says Shigaraki is not quite on par with All Might. This clearly shows at least USJ Nomu>Shigaraki in the doctor's mind. Yes Endeavor states Shigaraki is as strong as All Might, but Endeavor never saw All Might fighting beyond Kamino.

Kamino All Might is weaker than USJ All Might. So Shigaraki would be not quite on par with the USJ Nomu and All Might. Aizawa questioned if he was a perfect Nomu, but he didn't mention him being equal or stronger than the USJ Nomu. Shigaraki would be considered perfect in this case, as he's close in strength to the USJ Nomu and is capable of keeping all of his intelligence.

I believe Shigaraki is equal in strength to Kamino All Might, who Endeavor saw fighting, who is slightly weaker than 3.9 Megatons. I believe that's what Shigaraki should scale to in this case, not above 3.9 MT but equal to Kamino All Might who is slightly weaker than 3.9 MT.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

As for the High-Ends' strength, they already have feats supporting their scaling, such as Hood causing severe damage to Endeavor, who can take hits from Shigaraki, who was stated to be "the perfected Nomu" by Aizawa while showing an image of the USJ Nomu.

Was waiting for someone to bring this up.
Only clean hit Endeavor took was Air Cannon. Right before that Endeavor noted no one can function properly in his heat. Before all that it's even noted twice that extreme heat drops physical ability.

Next hit was was getting slammed by Shigaraki. Not only was Shigaraki not serious (as shown by him posing) he was just burned by Endeavor and Endeavor managed a hasty counter as shown by him raising his hand to block and later shown with a significantly more injured arm and destroyed gauntlet.

Third hit. Shigaraki grazed him. It wasn't direct.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Near High Ends should not even be considered in the same ballpark as USJ Nomu unless Mirko is somehow capable of putting out 300 100% USJ All Might blows level of power with just a few kicks.

We know USJ Nomu is a particular outlier since he could HURT ALL MIGHT when AFO couldn’t do with an Air Cannon which sent him through a few city blocks whilst Mirko face-tanks SEVERAL near High Ends attacking her at once and only gets a few scratches from it, and she wasn’t even sent outside of the building by that attack.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Untrue, Endeavor call the punch against him had All Might level strength. Him making a pose doesn't mean he's holding back, just mean he's having fun, you need to provide evidence that he held back his strength seconds after he showed All Might level strength.

And you also need to explain why Endeavor wouldn't mentioned him doing that, since that means he should know All Might level strength would kill him. At least a scene of him questioning why he's alive after being punched.

Endeavor scales to Shigaraki's AP and assuming he can one shot him with 0.1 Percent of his power is something that doesn't make any sense. Especially since in universe he's comparable to 45% of OFA judging from the damage they took from Shigaraki's attack.

 

[Therefir]

Was waiting for someone to bring this up.
Only clean hit Endeavor took was Air Cannon. Right before that Endeavor noted no one can function properly in his heat. Before all that it's even noted twice that extreme heat drops physical ability.

Next hit was was getting slammed by Shigaraki. Not only was Shigaraki not serious (as shown by him posing) he was just burned by Endeavor and Endeavor managed a hasty counter as shown by him raising his hand to block and later shown with a significantly more injured arm and destroyed gauntlet.

Third hit. Shigaraki grazed him. It wasn't direct.

Endeavor stated that Shigaraki regenerated right after being burned, so this point is a bit moot.

We already discussed whether Shigaraki was holding back (which was initially used to negate Endeavor's scaling) and it was agreed that there was no reason for him to hold back, and that Shigaraki was going beyond his limits in that fight, I really doubt you just had forgotten that discussion.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Untrue, Endeavor call the punch against him had All Might level strength. Him making a pose doesn't mean he's holding back, just mean he's having fun, you need to provide evidence that he held back his strength seconds after he showed All Might level strength.

And you also need to explain why Endeavor wouldn't mentioned him doing that, since that means he should know All Might level strength would kill him. At least a scene of him questioning why he's alive after being punched.

Endeavor scales to Shigaraki's AP and assuming he can one shot him with 0.1 Percent of his power is something that doesn't make any sense. Especially since in universe he's comparable to 45% of OFA judging from the damage they took from Shigaraki's attack.

Endeavor didn't call the punch AM level. He specifically said it before Shigaraki even threw the punch. He was referring to his jumping ability and mid air movement.

It's pretty obvious Shigaraki was playing around. If you even wanna play the statement game why didn't Endeavor claim Mirko or the High Ends are AM tier?

Deku takes a direct hit and shrugs it off after coughing some blood. Endeavor takes a slam and stays floored for a bit while Shigaraki monologues, leaves and fights bakudeku for a bit. That's also discounting Endeavor countered the hit and had his fall broken by Ryukyu. Adding on to this, Deku can break Rivet stab while Endeavor gets skewered.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Endeavor stated that Shigaraki regenerated right after being burned, so this point is a bit moot.

We already discussed whether Shigaraki was holding back (which was initially used to negate Endeavor's scaling) and it was agreed that there was no reason for him to hold back, and that Shigaraki was going beyond his limits in that fight, I really doubt you just had forgotten that discussion.

Not really. Shigaraki would have to be nerfed or holding back for his Air Cannon to do less damage than his later punch.

Shigaraki only started going beyond his limits when his body cracked which is exactly when he started tearing through people.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I don't understand your point there, you didn't disprove anything about 45% and Endeavor.

Saying something is obvious doesn't prove your point, actually bring up evidence. If you cannot provide a statement of Shigaraki holding back, this discussion is pointless, I've already explained in detail why this holding back idea makes no sense. He's having fun but wants to kill Endeavor, he tried to kill him two times before that punch as well.

Shigaraki can't one shot Endeavor, but is having fun and wanted to mock him. Bring me a scene that disproves what I'm saying.

 

[Metalballrun]

Whatever he used had more power and range than Mirko. Heck 20%'s tornado from heroes rising was more impressive than what she did.

You mean when he punched Shigaraki? He took no damage from that.

Like I said, not really a fair comparison. To delve more into it, Mirko's intent differ greatly in that situation, as she only wanted to drive Dabi and his flames away from Endeavor, while All Might wanted to show off his destruction. Also the fact that All Might's attack was a ranged one, intended to cause damage. Mirko's was just a close-ranged kick that caused some shockwaves.
We already know that Mirko can cause more destruction if she really wanted to.

This is the same case for 20% Deku as well. Do remember during the School Festival arc that Deku's 20% Air Pressure kicks weren't doing any significant damage aside from shaking some trees either.

Point is, it's not particularly reliable to use air pressure as direct scaling. Well, I thought air pressure was just being used as an indicator that someone is at X-level, anyways?

Shigaraki was lying down on the ground while holding his stomach after getting hit with the Vanishing Fist and was very visibly in pain. That's not the reaction of someone who took no damage.
Either he got hurt by blunt force, or he got hurt by the sheer heat of the attack. I'm not really sure.

When the police found it, it was very much concious and very much undamaged.

Yes because it had regeneration and All Might didn't really manage to irreparably harm it because of regeneration and shock absorption. He still defeated it and knocked it out. If it didn't have shock absorption I'd say All Might would've done more than just knocking it out.

Near High Ends should not even be considered in the same ballpark as USJ Nomu unless Mirko is somehow capable of putting out 300 100% USJ All Might blows level of power with just a few kicks.

That's not how it works. The reason why All Might had to punch over 300 times was because the USJ Nomu had shock absorption which can no-sell his attacks. The Near High Ends didn't.

Well, like I said, I'm still neutral to this topic.

I believe Shigaraki is equal in strength to Kamino All Might, who Endeavor saw fighting, who is slightly weaker than 3.9 Megatons.

All things considered, this might make more sense.

 

[Therefir]

Endeavor: "As powerful and sturdy as All Might..."
Aizawa: "But as long as I don't blink, that power is all he's got"
Yes, Aizawa, the person who perfectly deduced USJ Nomu's strength before he even fought All Might, confirms Endeavor's words.

Doctor Garaki is probably referring to a stronger version of All Might, like his wounded state.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

”He’s as strong and sturdy as All Might!” is what we’re using to scale Shigaraki to All Might’s level when Shigaraki’s best strength feats dont evdn cause the air pressure to knock over nearby buildings whilst All Might while weighted down and holding back threw a punch that ripped an entire street up and blasted the roofs of buildings from pretty much a hundred metres or so away?

Shigaraki’s best feats make him look around 75% of All Might at his weakest at best.

Again, USJ Nomu hurt All Might. Mirko took a single attack by multiple High Ends and was only blasted into a nearby wall with some scratches. Could Mirko face tank a punch from USJ Nomu? Could Mirko tank the first casual Air Cannon with several multipliers AFO used on All Might??

 

[TheRustyOne]

Air pressure is not going to be accepted for anything, do not use that as an argument since that falls under AOE.

Wiki rules ignore such a thing. "An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive Capacity that an attack is equivalent to. A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces. As such it isn't proof of a low attack potency, if a character's attacks only cause a small amount of destruction."

Someone not causing Air Pressure on par compared to another character doesn't mean they're weaker.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Like I said, not really a fair comparison. To delve more into it, Mirko's intent differ greatly in that situation, as she only wanted to drive Dabi and his flames away from Endeavor, while All Might wanted to show off his destruction. Also the fact that All Might's attack was a ranged one, intended to cause damage. Mirko's was just a close-ranged kick that caused some shockwaves.
We already know that Mirko can cause more destruction if she really wanted to.

This is the same case for 20% Deku as well. Do remember during the School Festival arc that Deku's 20% Air Pressure kicks weren't doing any significant damage aside from shaking some trees either.

Point is, it's not particularly reliable to use air pressure as direct scaling. Well, I thought air pressure was just being used as an indicator that someone is at X-level, anyways?

Shigaraki was lying down on the ground while holding his stomach after getting hit with the Vanishing Fist and was very visibly in pain. That's not the reaction of someone who took no damage.
Either he got hurt by blunt force, or he got hurt by the sheer heat of the attack. I'm not really sure.

With wind pressure? Please show proof of that.

Deku could've simply gotten stronger or it could be movie quality vs manga

Shigaraki could've been holding his stomach because heat hurts.

My argument wasn't even just wind pressure. It's wind pressure plus feats and maybe even statements.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Yh anything wrong with that? If anything it fits since Mirio is scared to get hit by a HE and 20% can break the bones of characters tougher than Mirio.

The argument is air pressure not a sonic boom or impact effect or something. 8% can make sonic booms for crying out loud. What we're talking about is wind something that all AM tier characters have done except the HE.

There's still wind something the HE haven't done and once again there's at the start when he tries to kill Kota and during his clash with Deku. Muscualr unlike the HE also has the distinction of actually fighting someone of AM calibre.

So now you’re attempting to claim everyone should downgrade to 8-B? Allow me to show you how ridiculous this is.

Mirio doesn’t want to get hit by one of them because they’re “as strong as the one from Kyushu.” Heck, the one that he is fighting at that exact moment literally misses an attack and creates a shockwave through the ground taller than itself. Claiming that he’s scared of it and therefore it must solely be 20% level is baseless assumption. It could easily be Tier 7 and he’d make the exact same comment with nothing having changed.

Kamino All For One should be 8-B by your own logic. He makes no wind pressure except from his quirks. Why aren’t you arguing he should be 8-B? Is there some kind of issue here?

So Mirko is only 8-B too? So what, making wind pressure ISN’T the deciding factor for AM tier? So anyone that doesn’t make wind pressure everytime they move is just on 20%’s level? Are you claiming 20% is the god tier of this verse because it makes big wind pressure?

Muscular did not make wind pressure there, you’re selectively choosing what is wind pressure and what isn’t. If you’re attempting to say what Muscular did was wind pressure, but then say what the HE’s did wasn’t wind pressure, you’re just biased, plain and simple. You can see the wind pressure being generated around the impact shot. It flows out from the impact. You have to be willfully denying that they didn’t generate wind pressure there, which is absurd since you claim what Muscular did counts for wind pressure.

Endeavor becomes 8-B as well since he doesn’t make wind pressure. He can take hits from Shigaraki and can move him with punches but only 8-B right? Because no wind pressure? 20% one shots him right? Ridiculous. He takes several hits from the Air Cannon and Shigaraki stomps on him hard enough to knock Ryukyu out, who is 8-A. His Air Cannons literally blow back and destroy her arms with a split second of usage yet Endeavor can take them. He’s bare minimum 8-A, yet even then makes no air pressure. Its almost like theres some sort of inconsistency with stating everyone has to make air pressure to be even near 20

Speaking of Ryukyu, are we downgrading her too? Mount Lady as well? Nejire? They don’t make wind pressure yet they’re 8-A, stronger than 20%. Is there an issue here

Machia is now also 8-B because he doesn’t make wind pressure consistently. He does it what, maybe 2 or 3 times? Both times worse than 20%? The strongest Nomu at his peak weaker than 20%? I guess 45% just one shots him doesn’t he? He only makes wind pressure when he slams the ground too, not even everytime he punches or moves, so he must be much weaker than 20%. Unless you’re going to be biased for his showings and say that he specifically is ok to scale to AM.

Is Wolfram weaker than 20%? He doesn’t make any wind pressure from many of his attacks, just debris from colliding with other objects, and DEFINITELY no where near the air pressure 20% makes. Wolfram only 8-B? We removing all his feats too?

Nine at full power doesn’t even make Air Pressure yet he’s surviving against Full Cowl 100%? So is Nine 8-B at his peak? He just didn’t get any stronger when releasing his full power? He takes a hit from OFA infused Bakugo and is fine seconds after but I guess that blast was just 8-B huh. Bakugo just wanted to hold back in that moment to not hurt Nine IG.

Wait, is Chimera the strongest villain in the verse to you? He makes a lot of wind pressure and beats Class 1-A up easily, the guy is a menace. Guess he’s just built different? Stronger than Machia? Only character at 20% level to you?

Essentially, your argument is “Deku does this at 20% so unless everyone else is able to replicate it the exact same way, they are weaker than him.” This is a ridiculous assertion based solely on a function that only he, All Might and Shigaraki have shown because it’s their main gimmick for movement and throwing their power around. Not everyone has to replicate their exact feats in every scenario in order to be comparable.

Heck, what even is the BASIS for assuming that making wind pressure is the defining feature for everyone scaling, but that then there are tiers to wind pressure making so that everyone is actually just weaker than 20% because he has a bigger feat? Have you ever considered that he does it more often because he doesn’t control it? Or that he’s willfully making it? Have you considered that most characters don’t need to ever make wind pressure because they have several methods to NOT need it? Heck, why aren’t you claiming Shigaraki is only 8-B? 20%’s feat from Heroes Rising is a better air pressure feat than anything anyone has done outside of AM, so is he just the new god tier? Is that your argument? Or is the new claim that even 20% is an outlier and now he’s just High 8-C? So what, everyone is High 8-C now?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

So now you’re attempting to claim everyone should downgrade to 8-B? Allow me to show you how ridiculous this is.

Mirio doesn’t want to get hit by one of them because they’re “as strong as the one from Kyushu.” Heck, the one that he is fighting at that exact moment literally misses an attack and creates a shockwave through the ground taller than itself. Claiming that he’s scared of it and therefore it must solely be 20% level is baseless assumption. It could easily be Tier 7 and he’d make the exact same comment with nothing having changed.

Kamino All For One should be 8-B by your own logic. He makes no wind pressure except from his quirks. Why aren’t you arguing he should be 8-B? Is there some kind of issue here?

So Mirko is only 8-B too? So what, making wind pressure ISN’T the deciding factor for AM tier? So anyone that doesn’t make wind pressure everytime they move is just on 20%’s level? Are you claiming 20% is the god tier of this verse because it makes big wind pressure?

Muscular did not make wind pressure there, you’re selectively choosing what is wind pressure and what isn’t. If you’re attempting to say what Muscular did was wind pressure, but then say what the HE’s did wasn’t wind pressure, you’re just biased, plain and simple. You can see the wind pressure being generated around the impact shot. It flows out from the impact. You have to be willfully denying that they didn’t generate wind pressure there, which is absurd since you claim what Muscular did counts for wind pressure.

Endeavor becomes 8-B as well since he doesn’t make wind pressure. He can take hits from Shigaraki and can move him with punches but only 8-B right? Because no wind pressure? 20% one shots him right? Ridiculous. He takes several hits from the Air Cannon and Shigaraki stomps on him hard enough to knock Ryukyu out, who is 8-A. His Air Cannons literally blow back and destroy her arms with a split second of usage yet Endeavor can take them. He’s bare minimum 8-A, yet even then makes no air pressure. Its almost like theres some sort of inconsistency with stating everyone has to make air pressure to be even near 20

Speaking of Ryukyu, are we downgrading her too? Mount Lady as well? Nejire? They don’t make wind pressure yet they’re 8-A, stronger than 20%. Is there an issue here

Machia is now also 8-B because he doesn’t make wind pressure consistently. He does it what, maybe 2 or 3 times? Both times worse than 20%? The strongest Nomu at his peak weaker than 20%? I guess 45% just one shots him doesn’t he? He only makes wind pressure when he slams the ground too, not even everytime he punches or moves, so he must be much weaker than 20%. Unless you’re going to be biased for his showings and say that he specifically is ok to scale to AM.

Is Wolfram weaker than 20%? He doesn’t make any wind pressure from many of his attacks, just debris from colliding with other objects, and DEFINITELY no where near the air pressure 20% makes. Wolfram only 8-B? We removing all his feats too?

Nine at full power doesn’t even make Air Pressure yet he’s surviving against Full Cowl 100%? So is Nine 8-B at his peak? He just didn’t get any stronger when releasing his full power? He takes a hit from OFA infused Bakugo and is fine seconds after but I guess that blast was just 8-B huh. Bakugo just wanted to hold back in that moment to not hurt Nine IG.

Wait, is Chimera the strongest villain in the verse to you? He makes a lot of wind pressure and beats Class 1-A up easily, the guy is a menace. Guess he’s just built different? Stronger than Machia? Only character at 20% level to you?

Essentially, your argument is “Deku does this at 20% so unless everyone else is able to replicate it the exact same way, they are weaker than him.” This is a ridiculous assertion based solely on a function that only he, All Might and Shigaraki have shown because it’s their main gimmick for movement and throwing their power around. Not everyone has to replicate their exact feats in every scenario in order to be comparable.

Heck, what even is the BASIS for assuming that making wind pressure is the defining feature for everyone scaling, but that then there are tiers to wind pressure making so that everyone is actually just weaker than 20% because he has a bigger feat? Have you ever considered that he does it more often because he doesn’t control it? Or that he’s willfully making it? Have you considered that most characters don’t need to ever make wind pressure because they have several methods to NOT need it? Heck, why aren’t you claiming Shigaraki is only 8-B? 20%’s feat from Heroes Rising is a better air pressure feat than anything anyone has done outside of AM, so is he just the new god tier? Is that your argument? Or is the new claim that even 20% is an outlier and now he’s just High 8-C? So what, everyone is High 8-C now?

Jesus Christ could you summarise this

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Jesus Christ could you summarise this

“Everyone is 8-B is dumb and demolishes scaling since there are people far stronger than 20% that don’t make wind pressure like it does.”

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Why does Ryukyu not make wind pressure when she attacks or moves if she’s stronger than 20% due to being 8-A.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Air pressure is not going to be accepted for anything, do not use that as an argument since that falls under AOE.

Wiki rules ignore such a thing. "An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive Capacity that an attack is equivalent to. A character with a certain degree of attack potency does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces. As such it isn't proof of a low attack potency, if a character's attacks only cause a small amount of destruction."

Someone not causing Air Pressure on par compared to another character doesn't mean they're weaker.