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20% could be 8A. He's scaling from borderline 8B wind after all.
Name a character factually stronger than 20% that hasn't made wind pressure and doesn't have a feat they scale to.
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My Hero Academia - Scaling Revisions [Top Tier Edition]
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Again my argument isn't just wind pressure equal to AM. My argument is the story portrays AM tier characters make wind pressure at least once and have a feat to back it up. AFO physically clashes with AM and survives his attacks. Muscular is the same. USJ Nomu makes wind pressure, clashes with AM and is stated to be on par with him. Shigaraki moves with air pressure, survives 100% hits from a Deku superior to weakened AM and has a statement. The HE have one statement that says they're greater than Upper tier Nomu and nothing else. Their feats are even worse.
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Oh, so now they have to not have feats? So now you’re stating that if they scale to someone that has feats stronger than 20% they’re a-ok? Fine by me, there is no one factually stronger than 20% with no feats or scaling.
This does however mean you concede High Ends are stronger than 20% as they scale to 8-A bare minimum. So you admit they don’t need air pressure to be stronger than others, which opens the discussion for them being as strong as USJ Nomu. You just defeated your own argument by trying to limit the scope.
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Cool, they all have feats or scale to someone with them. Good thing High Ends scale to Endeavor who takes hits from Shigaraki on top of the statement and literal visual evidence that they are considered superior to USJ Nomu by the person that created them.
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Let's not use shockwave size to contradict or support the scaling, the feat that 20% Deku performed hasn't been replicated even by USJ Nomu or Muscular.
I haven't got a response for this comment.
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I literally said 20% could be 8A man. This isn't the first time a character is at a tier they're superior to.
Also my point as I said several times previously was AM tier characters have wind pressure and a feat to back them up being in that tier.
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And by “visual evidence” I’m referring to how Horikoshi literally out USJ Nomu as the representation of “upper tier Nomu” which he then said were inferior stat wise to High Ends. Not feat wise.
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Somewhat unrelated—
In the latest chapters Deku punches Muscular with enough speed and power to displace knee-height water enough to flung it around and over his standing height and move several metres away in his charge before the displaced water can begin to fall back. Has there been a calc for that? Is there anything to calc that isn’t already less impressive than other feats??
In the latest chapters Deku punches Muscular with enough speed and power to displace knee-height water enough to flung it around and over his standing height and move several metres away in his charge before the displaced water can begin to fall back. Has there been a calc for that? Is there anything to calc that isn’t already less impressive than other feats??
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Just means the difference in strength is not big enough for Aizawa and Endeavor to notice, that's why I agree with Low 7-B+ Kamino All Might. He's weaker but not enough that it makes a noticeable difference to someone like Aizawa.
Shigaraki being very close, but slightly weaker than the USJ Nomu is still fine.
Shigaraki being very close, but slightly weaker than the USJ Nomu is still fine.
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I gave points why Endeavor might not fully scale to AM tier.
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That's fine by me, Aizawa was able to deduce USJ Nomu's strength just by having his arms broken, so his words should carry a lot of weight.
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Except 20% being 8-A doesn’t mean anything and is baseless outside of your biased view on air pressure = strength. So even if he’s 8-A, that doesn’t answer the question of why other 8-A’s don’t make air pressure.
Don’t forget that 20% is not the percentage that air pressure becomes possible. That percent is 15. So if your claim is that 20% is astronomically higher into 8-A such that it can make air pressure while others can’t, you have to reverse that argument for 15%, where it should be far weaker than 20% yet can still make air pressure.
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There hasn’t been a calc for it, mainly because, well, it wouldn’t really be impressive or anything.
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What the heck did I come back to
Can someone give me a summary of the arguments
Can someone give me a summary of the arguments
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Air pressure argument is big dumb unless we’re assuming 20% is far higher into 8-A than anyone else that is 8-A, but then that results in 15% being 8-A too since that’s when air pressure actually happens, which can’t be the case unless the differences between percentages are weirdly different or something, idk.
As for Shigaraki, he should just be around USJ Nomu level, though probably weaker. I argue High Ends bare minimum should be the same. You guys can claim USJ Nomu is an outlier or whatever all you like, but facts are that the High Ends are meant to be superior to it physically. We can claim that he’s stronger than them somewhat simply due to being made to fight All Might, but it isn’t some astronomical distance, otherwise the diagram showing they are superior to other Nomu wouldn’t literally use him as a baseline.
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Also why the heck would Ujiko not make more Nomu on his level since he was literally attempting to perfect having USJ Nomu strength with more quirks and better brain power
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Sure whatever. My point wasn't even they have to be even with 20%. It was just a possibility since much like the HE 20% is far more powerful than Mirio tier characters.
You've still yet to mention my points for Endeavor not fully scaling to Shiggy and the HE once again have inferior feats to USJ Nomu.
You just conceded the diagram is wrong.
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Because it takes a long ass time even with AFO helping. He was struggling to make the HE as it was without AFO. He also literally mentions excessive modelling overburdens the brain so they can't be equal to the USJ nomu in raw physicals
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If USJ Nomu can damage All Might.
And High Ends = or slightly below USJ Nomu.
And that Mirko took a singular attack from multiple High Ends at the same time with just a few scratches and bruises.
That means Mirko can tank the Air Cannon attack All For One used on All Might that sent him flying through several city blocks since that did not damage him, and she can also take a All Might level punch to the face and shrug it off.
Makes sense...?
And High Ends = or slightly below USJ Nomu.
And that Mirko took a singular attack from multiple High Ends at the same time with just a few scratches and bruises.
That means Mirko can tank the Air Cannon attack All For One used on All Might that sent him flying through several city blocks since that did not damage him, and she can also take a All Might level punch to the face and shrug it off.
Makes sense...?
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I don’t think determining strength of a character via air pressure is good as doing this would invalidate endeavor even being stronger than 20% deku
His only shockwave he made in the anime when he moved those clouds that’s it
Or Ryukyu being 8-A would be an outlier
I’ve already said my stance on High ends shiggy and Usj nomu
Usj is inferior to High ends it’s stated, at best he’s extremely close in power to them
High ends base to base with no external quirks rival each other’s physicals
Hood with his Muscle quirk and offensive high ends quirks are above that
But I am open to other opinions
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On this wiki? Of course it does because story implications and in universe feats mean nothing here. Who cares that Mirko was ******** herself in the face of AM tier Shigaraki? Who cares the HE don't do anything as impressive as USJ Nomu? Who cares Endeavor got fodderised by Kamino AFO? Who cares that by this scaling Endeavor is stronger than AM since the USJ Nomu's strength isn't a quirk but apparently the HE are stronger than it and have quirks to stack on top?
So long as enough people want it, MHA scaling can be anything.
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USJ Nomu only truly hurt All Might by punching him in his weak spot.
All Might's durability is still far superior to characters like Endeavor (Rivet Stab wasn't strong enough to pierce through his skin), this is no secret to anyone, if you put USJ All Might or even Kamino All Might against Mirko, he would obviously win, that's not to say that characters can't scale from his strength, or USJ Nomu's strength, who only had a chance against All Might because of his Shock Absorption.
All Might's durability is still far superior to characters like Endeavor (Rivet Stab wasn't strong enough to pierce through his skin), this is no secret to anyone, if you put USJ All Might or even Kamino All Might against Mirko, he would obviously win, that's not to say that characters can't scale from his strength, or USJ Nomu's strength, who only had a chance against All Might because of his Shock Absorption.
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Feats aren’t limitations and they have no reason to replicate USJ Nomu’s feats, of which all of them are simply him harming All Might. The only feat you’re even arguing for them to replicate is the air pressure one, which is irrelevant since characters can make air pressure without being that strong.
I stated that the diagram uses USJ Nomu as a baseline for how strong the High Ends should be. I believe Shiggy and the High Ends should be superior, but if that’s not going anywhere, I will settle for people seeing USJ Nomu as somewhat stronger simply due to Shock Absorption and lesser brain power going to strength.
Except he then makes Shigaraki who is USJ Nomu level with perfect brain functions. The HE’s are literally tests before he makes Shigaraki, and even if it was harder to make them, he had MONTHS to do so, with all of them being literally a half a day away from being ready. He even specifies that Woman and the others already had some form of testing. The length of time to perfect them is irrelevant when the end result is that they were finished.
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USJ Nomu bruised him with a punch and broke the skin on his face with a punch.
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USJ Nomu was capable of bruising All Might's arm, even if we want to say he's weaker than All Might, he should comparable enough to bruise him. All Might can increase his strength by pushing past his limits, he's done this in every fight sans maybe Wolfram which was more about his time limit than anything else.
Actually All Might needs that to be mentioned in his profile, he's always been able to use power beyond his normal 100%. Plus Ultra or whatever, USJ All Might had to go beyond 100% to defeat the USJ Nomu. And Kamino All Might went beyond his limits for the United States of Smash.
Actually All Might needs that to be mentioned in his profile, he's always been able to use power beyond his normal 100%. Plus Ultra or whatever, USJ All Might had to go beyond 100% to defeat the USJ Nomu. And Kamino All Might went beyond his limits for the United States of Smash.
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A bruise on his arm is nothing comparable to the damage that Mirko took from the Hospital High-Ends, in terms of durability they are not on the same level.
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Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not solely arguing for air pressure. As I've said like 10 times now, they have no feat that makes them AM level besides Endeavor who I gave points for why he might not scale.
USJ Nomu is stated AM level. Shigaraki is stated somewhat weaker.
The hospital HE did most of their major damage through piercing attacks or hax. The one blunt hit they did caused a head injury that didn't affect Mirko at all
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1 USJ Nomu bruised All Might and had the grip strength to completely lock All Might down and required Todoroki’s help to break free from.
5 or so High Ends who are apparently = to USJ Nomu attacking Mirko at the same time only sent her flying into a nearby wall with only a few bruises and scratches.
All For One didn’t damage All Might with his first air cannon so therefore Mirko could also tank this air cannon and be flung through a few city blocks with practically no damage, despite the fact several high ends attacking at once only flung her through, like, one set of steel pipes with some minimal scarring.
So you are still saying they are comparable. Mirko can face tank a punch from USJ Nomu, who is equal to All Might in speed and power, and the High Ends “clearly scale” and Mirko one shot a few of them.
5 or so High Ends who are apparently = to USJ Nomu attacking Mirko at the same time only sent her flying into a nearby wall with only a few bruises and scratches.
All For One didn’t damage All Might with his first air cannon so therefore Mirko could also tank this air cannon and be flung through a few city blocks with practically no damage, despite the fact several high ends attacking at once only flung her through, like, one set of steel pipes with some minimal scarring.
So you are still saying they are comparable. Mirko can face tank a punch from USJ Nomu, who is equal to All Might in speed and power, and the High Ends “clearly scale” and Mirko one shot a few of them.
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Everyone’s durability is worse than All Might’s except Shigaraki. Mirko wasn’t “getting bruised,” she was getting impaled, knocked around and getting the shit kicked out of her everytime they hit her, but she survived and hit back. Unless you’re making the claim that she tanked the throw they made on her? Because she didn’t, she cancelled the force of that throw out with her legs.
Could she withstand the AFO boosted Air Cannon? Yes, she could. Explain why she couldn’t? She’d be worse off than All Might because her durability isn’t on his level, but she’d survive it. You’re acting like Endeavor didn’t literally clash with it a few chapters later or that Best Jeanist, who isn’t even a physical character, didn’t survive a direct hit.
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Also, I’m seeing a huge misconception being tossed around here that makes me think people aren’t reading what’s happening.
Mirko did not tank a punch from the Nomu. Woman grabbed her face and tossed her ass into a wall at full force, which is why they were shocked she was alive. She then says that she cancelled all the force of the attack with her legs. So I don’t see where this assumption that she tanked hits is coming from.
Mirko did not tank a punch from the Nomu. Woman grabbed her face and tossed her ass into a wall at full force, which is why they were shocked she was alive. She then says that she cancelled all the force of the attack with her legs. So I don’t see where this assumption that she tanked hits is coming from.
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Mirko was bleeding after a single throw of a High-End, the reason it didn't affect her was because of her immense stamina, even after losing her left arm she still believed it wasn't a major hindrance against the Nomus.
And piercing attacks like Rivet Stab can't penetrate All Might's skin, while they still can against Mirko.
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Also, piercing attacks are an irrelevant point since AM can block them with his skin
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Mirko is very weird, since as a physical fighter her dura should scale to her own AP via recoil. But that's clearly not the case, her dura is rather inferior to her own AP. I imagine if Mirko got hit by someone just as strong as her, they'd ripped through her body just like her kicks did to the High-Ends did.
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Yeah and AM bled from a single punch from the USJ Nomu in their punch off.
So AM has better piercing resistance or AFO had inferior attack power to AM's durability? (aside from his Ultimate Combo)
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It might be her legs are stronger than the rest of her body since she mentioned she cancelled out their force with her legs.
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Inferior attack power, considering, as you yourself said, he was unfazed by literally everything AFO was tossing at him before he used recoil.
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Isn’t “Rivet Stab” the metallic spikes on AFO’s giant arm, not the black and red tendrils which is “forced quirk activation”?
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Ok we can note that on his profile then.
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No, Rivet Stab is the black and red tendrils. AFO says he uses them to stab into Shigaraki’s spine to lessen pain I think. Forced Quirk Activation is just something he can use through them.
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Anyways. Native is All Might tier since he was able to fight with a High End Nomu which had no reason to hold back and didn’t instantly die, making Stain All Might tier as he defeated Native, making Stain arc Iida, Deku and Todoroki All Might tier via scaling.
It’s an All Might Tier Bargain Sale.
It’s an All Might Tier Bargain Sale.
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