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DB Chou Black Saga Scaling (Possible 3-B Upgrades)

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Agreed. Also there should kind of be a calc for the BoG 3-B feats so their AP would be concrete (such as like: assuming a reasonable timeframe and going with that)

Also again, how does CSSB / Merged Zamasu are 3-B+ exactly? Like how you assign the plus sign with no calc to even say how high into 3-B they scale (and 3-B is by far the most massive tier with finite energy ends, it's like 10^23 times difference accroding to the Attack Potency page)
 
CSSB is 10x stronger than SBB (again because SSB only could use 10% of its full potential, while CSSB constantly uses 100% of SSB's power), so to determine its exact AP we need to determine how high into 3-B the BoG feat is exactly.
 
Well, the timeframe can't be anymore than a minute, since I doubt Goku and Beerus were writing in the sky for that long. The shockwaves were only seen for a page, with the next page showing Goku and Beerus flying into the stratosphere from their original spot (the spot where they clashed), and there's no way it took them longer than a minute to cross such a meager distance.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Well, the timeframe can't be anymore than a minute, since I doubt Goku and Beerus were writing in the sky for that long. The shockwaves were only seen for a page, with the next page showing Goku and Beerus flying into the stratosphere from their original spot (the spot where they clashed), and there's no way it took them longer than a minute to cross such a meager distance.
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So maybe that end can be used as an estimate? It's still much better than just unquantifyably high into 3-B, with 3-B+ and 3-A out of nowhere
 
There should be new keys for Goku and Vegeta when they get stronger as the arcs go along like the animes profiles, Just with less keys

Like font have ssj god forms in different keys, have then in one key
 
Attack Potency: Solar System level (Comparable to Son Goku, who believed he could defeat Super Perfect Cell and possibly contend with Kid Buu with Super Saiyan alone), higher with Rage Power (Landed several blows on a suppressed Beerus, who previously defeated Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Gotenks) | At least Solar System level (Trained for three years with Goku in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber). At least Multi-Galaxy level with Super Saiyan Blue (Portrayed as being equal to Goku in Super Saiyan Blue which is more powerful than Super Saiyan God) | At least Solar System level (More powerful than before). At least Multi-Galaxy level after training (Is more powerful than a post-Zenkai Goku Black, who previously overpowered Vegeta's Super Saiyan Blue form in Super Saiyan 2. Is even more powerful in his Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue forms), higher with Gamma Burst Flash (Dismembered God Zamasu) | At least Multi-Galaxy level, Multi-Galaxy level+ in Completed Super Saiyan Blue (Stated by Whis to no longer be surpassed by Goku before the tournament. Toppo stated he was as powerful as Goku) and Super Saiyan Blue Evolution (Stronger than before and overpowered Aura of God Toppo. Fought a suppressed Jiren, but was quickly overwhelmed when the latter got serious) | At least Multi-Galaxy level (He is seen training with Goku, it is also implied that they train regularly, so he should be stronger than before. Overpowered Moro before the latter recovered his youth and original power). At least Multi-Galaxy level, possibly Universe level after training on Planet Yardrat (Has grown proficient in Spirit Control and has become much more powerful as a result. Injured Original Power Moro enough to activate Forced Spirit Fission)

Key: Battle of Gods Saga | Universe 6 Saga | "Future" Trunks Saga | Universe Survival Saga | Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga
 
And also what about the 3-B scaling?

Like we still need to have some concrete calc in order to determine how high into 3-B they scale. As well as removing the arbitrary 3-B+ and 3-As
 
The 3-As are 3-A because beerus and Champa were going to Detroy the universe they were in to the point where whis and vados had to knock them out

Idk because too me that should be universe level+ for the same sort of reason beerus and Champa are universe level+ in the anime as they were going to Detroy the universe in the anime too and they are universe level+ in the anime because of that (and yes I know about the difference in the anime and manga because I watched and read both)
 
Vegeta and Goku should be Multi-Galaxy level in Universe 6 Arc. Base Goku was able to damage suppressed Hit. The same suppressed Hit that beat up a weakened Ssb Vegeta. Whis said Vegeta could have defeated Hit just like Goku, but his use of Ssb against Cabba weakened him.
 
Okay, I get it. Goku ~ Casual Hit > Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta ~ Hypothetical Super Saiyan God Vegeta > 3-B. And, even if you don't believe that base Goku scales to casual Hit, because he only got two strikes in, which Hit basically said were chip damage, Super Saiyan Goku fought on equal grounds with him, so it's...

Super Saiyan Goku ~ Casual Hit > Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta ~ Hypothetical Super Saiyan God Vegeta > 3-B, which would make his base 3-B. And, yea, since Whis stated Vegeta only lost due to Blue's insane energy consumption, he would also scale to 3-B in base.
 
Low 2-C dragon ball super manga for GoD, angels, UI Goku, possibly Vegeta (after yardrat training), Moro (the one that battled ui omen Goku)

Just because beerus and Champa were going to Detroy the universe they were in. This is a similar feat to beerus and Champa in the anime two times, frist time was in when they were fighting over food and next was in a baseball ep
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Okay, I get it. Goku ~ Casual Hit > Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta ~ Hypothetical Super Saiyan God Vegeta > 3-B. And, even if you don't believe that base Goku scales to casual Hit, because he only got two strikes in, which Hit basically said were chip damage, Super Saiyan Goku fought on equal grounds with him, so it's...

Super Saiyan Goku ~ Casual Hit > Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta ~ Hypothetical Super Saiyan God Vegeta > 3-B, which would make his base 3-B. And, yea, since Whis stated Vegeta only lost due to Blue's insane energy consumption, he would also scale to 3-B in base.
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Whis said he lost because Ssb was only 10% of his full strength. Ssg is slightly stronger than that.

Goku didnt just to chip damage. He made Hit bleed.

In the manga, Goku can and has used God Ki in base. His Ssj was able to match suppressed Hit blow for blow. Hit only won the exchange because time skip barely used any stamina.
With Ssj being x50, it makes no sense for base Goku and Vegeta (during Universe 6 Arc) to be only solar system level or even Multi solar system level. It just doesn't. Goku absorbed the god form just like in the anime continuity.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
I forgot to include the fact that Hit powered up before engaging in battle with Super Saiyan Goku.
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And what does that have to do with anything? Because Ssj is only a x50 multiplier, it would still mean base Goku has to be 3-B. If he was only solar system level, a x50 boost would still keep him at multi solar system level at best. Which makes no sense. If he was only solar system level, even the boost from Ssj3 wouldn't put him in the 3-B tier.
 
Not really going into numbers, but I'll make two observations:

1) SS2 Black is not really a thing, looking at his hair you'll notice is still flame-shaped rather than spiked (you can compare with SS2 Goku, at the end they are the same body). And no, simply being surrounded by electricity is proof enough, Nappa and Vegito both projected electrified aura, is not really SS2 exclusive.
2) Power increases via transformation do not have to be constant between characters, is factible to be as powerful in the same form, but the difference in another be considerable (for example, Trunks SS2 being pretty close to Goku SS3). In which case, I don't see Vegeta SS2 post-training being as powerful (or more) than Black SS post-zenkai (plus, the circumstances were different).
 
Antoniofer said:
Not really going into numbers, but I'll make two observations:

1) SS2 Black is not really a thing, looking at his hair you'll notice is still flame-shaped rather than spiked (you can compare with SS2 Goku, at the end they are the same body). And no, simply being surrounded by electricity is proof enough, Nappa and Vegito both projected electrified aura, is not really SS2 exclusive.
2) Power increases via transformation do not have to be constant between characters, is factible to be as powerful in the same form, but the difference in another be considerable (for example, Trunks SS2 being pretty close to Goku SS3). In which case, I don't see Vegeta SS2 post-training being as powerful (or more) than Black SS post-zenkai (plus, the circumstances were different).
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1. Your right Electricity is not exclusive to ssj2 but we only start to see electricity from ssj2 and ss3.

There was no electricity for ssj1 ever shown if i remember correctly only ssj2 and ssj3

2. The when they first achieve the transformation they have the standard mutiplier. For example unmastered ssj is a 50x mutiplier but when goku mastered the ssj form he was stronger than ssj grade 3 trunks. Ssj grade 3 trunks in a spanish guidebook was 10x previous grade

And given how 50% mssj goku shocked everyone with his power level im pretty dam sure its not the standard 50x mutiplier. Also if i remember right gohan said that goku barley trained in the time chamber so tje power boost had to come from a higher mutiplier from mastering ssj
 
I'm kinda neutral

If we understood SSJR as Black's equal to Blue, then logically it would also have the same issues as Blue, which is why I think Vegeta using FPBlue in brief moments is able to overpower it. Then again, Black doesn't really seem to have any stamina issues.

The scaling is even made worse by the fact that Goku didn't get the same training as Vegeta, yet CSSJB (10x over regular Blue) is somehow slightly stronger than Fusion Zamasu, so unless Goku's base has been > Post-training Vegeta and can rofl stomp Black this entire time, the scaling for Vegeta doesn't make sense.
 
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2. The when they first achieve the transformation they have the standard mutiplier. For example unmastered ssj is a 50x mutiplier but when goku mastered the ssj form he was stronger than ssj grade 3 trunks. Ssj grade 3 trunks in a spanish guidebook was 10x previous grade

And given how 50% mssj goku shocked everyone with his power level im pretty dam sure its not the standard 50x mutiplier. Also if i remember right gohan said that goku barley trained in the time chamber so tje power boost had to come from a higher mutiplier from mastering ssj
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Goku was just that more powerful than Vegeta and Trunks in his base form; It's been stated and backed up numerous times that Super Saiyan Full Power is just vanilla Super Saiyan without the energy consumption and emotional turmoil. And, Gohan never said Goku barely said, from what I recall. He only commented on Goku when he was sitting down in Chapter 193, when he was contemplating about the ascended states of Super Saiyan.
 
It's possible that Goku was more powerful than the two of them before Vegeta trained, but also highly unlikely seeing as how Goku considered teaming up against Rosé Black, so that's an issue.
 
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