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As I said, this shit is super (haha) important. I'm not trying to change anything, as we definitely should wait until after this current arc to do changes and issues. But I think if we talk about this calmly and respectfully now, we can save trouble for the wiki in the future.
So, for now, this would be a debate for or against the canonicity of Goku having two base forms. I completely agree with the baseline scaling, and agree that Universe 6 and all those other new characters shouldn't be Universal either. However, I don't think using a fan theory to justify bad writing is the way to go.
I will get on my metaphorical knees to beg the Staff not to remove this thread-- this topic would/should come up about eventually for discussion, because I, like many people, don't support the JUSTIFICATION for U6 and others' solar system level rating, in the form of Goku having two bases. This needs to be discussed. Please, DO NOT run from this issue.
My argument will be kept short to a couple of short sentences, that will be expanded upon after I get responses or retorts. Or get silenced...
1. While the scaling makes sense, there's no objectively Canon statement that confirms the EVER IMPORTANT point that Goku has two base forms, so it's at best a fan theory-- and is effectively the same thing as just saying he's suppressing himself to Solar System level (which has it's own problems, yes, but let's not talk about that).
2. We can't actually tell when he has these forms active.
3. All "concrete" evidence for it's existence is at best no longer applicable to the current story-- for example, the statement in the artbook about a SBG going SS turning into SSGSS. That is directly contradicted by two things-- that being Goku going in and out of SS to SSB/SSGSS without being in SBG (unless he has two sets of Super Saiyan forms, which is ridiculous...)-- and a Statement of Gowasu saying that Goku rivaled the power of a God of Destruction (in SS2).
Come at me... *Flinches at the Staff Hakai'ing the shit out of this Thread. Death groans*
So, for now, this would be a debate for or against the canonicity of Goku having two base forms. I completely agree with the baseline scaling, and agree that Universe 6 and all those other new characters shouldn't be Universal either. However, I don't think using a fan theory to justify bad writing is the way to go.
I will get on my metaphorical knees to beg the Staff not to remove this thread-- this topic would/should come up about eventually for discussion, because I, like many people, don't support the JUSTIFICATION for U6 and others' solar system level rating, in the form of Goku having two bases. This needs to be discussed. Please, DO NOT run from this issue.
My argument will be kept short to a couple of short sentences, that will be expanded upon after I get responses or retorts. Or get silenced...
1. While the scaling makes sense, there's no objectively Canon statement that confirms the EVER IMPORTANT point that Goku has two base forms, so it's at best a fan theory-- and is effectively the same thing as just saying he's suppressing himself to Solar System level (which has it's own problems, yes, but let's not talk about that).
2. We can't actually tell when he has these forms active.
3. All "concrete" evidence for it's existence is at best no longer applicable to the current story-- for example, the statement in the artbook about a SBG going SS turning into SSGSS. That is directly contradicted by two things-- that being Goku going in and out of SS to SSB/SSGSS without being in SBG (unless he has two sets of Super Saiyan forms, which is ridiculous...)-- and a Statement of Gowasu saying that Goku rivaled the power of a God of Destruction (in SS2).
Come at me... *Flinches at the Staff Hakai'ing the shit out of this Thread. Death groans*
