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Staff Only: Possible Fairy Tail statistics adjustments

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It has been suggested that we should adjust certain statistics of the Fairy Tail character profiles, but the thread quickly turned completely unmanageable/impossible to evaluate, with 1-3 replies a minute.

As such, I am starting this thread for the staff alone instead. I would appreciate if you read through the old one first however,

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/651964
 
Pardon my intrusion, I know this is staff only but I have a request.

I don't think there are many FT supporters among the staff who are willing to debate and justify the scalings, apart from AidenBrooks99 and DragonMasterXYZ (I think he said once he was behind on his FT reading) and you Antvasima (I do not know if you have the time personally for this).

As such, potential changes might go through without having the chance to speak in favor of these statistics.

Would it be okay if one non-staff FT reader be able to reply here and offer his input?
 
I suppose that we can make an exception for yourself, but I would appreciate if you try to compress your points into one post.
 
Thank you for accepting. I have real life issues to take care of shortly and I do not know if I will be available when this gets going.

As such I requested WilliamShadow to offer his input. He has contributed in a lot of FT related threads and he is currently up to date with the manga as well. I hope that is okay with you.
 
Well, okay, but you simply get to summarise your points in a single post, that the staff can evaluate. Up to 3 replies a minute will obviously not lead ahywhere.
 
Here a summarise really fast.

First: Branidsh can both increase and decrease matter on the same way so, if she can shrink an island (casual feat by the way) means she can also increase matter on island lvl AP to cause damage like she used Lucy's Aqua metria against her (thou later stated she was holding back).

While Invel well he did freeze a certain amount of the battlefield. And since Brandish said all spriggans are comparable means they all scale on same lvl exception for August and Irene cause they were said to be vastly superior.

Irene shrinked a large country on 1/20 of its size and used Deus sema with sub-rel speed and it would cause a large island damage, also "break" most of Erza's bones with a single swipe in dragon form.

while August used a spell that vaporises blood and and any object around him,by him said as Large country scale and since Irene can affect the entire country and he is even slightly stronger we have no need to consider it as hyperbole. Some will say but Mavis said "magnolia will dissapear" and yes she did but that doesn't mean only magnolia and a proof of that would be also the fact like of Laxus in pre first Timeskip were capable of destroying Magnolia and August>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pre first Timeskip Laxus. So they are defiantly superior.

Next are: Elfman,Lisanna,Juvia,Levy,Pantherlily who appear to be on scale of small island+/likely island. My suggestion is:

Elfman and Juvia "high 7-A" solid because Elfman with help of Lisana beat a weakened Ajeel,but with Lisanan being more support since he is also superior to her, while Juvia is Elfman's league "equal" and also was training with Gray for quite some time.

Levy,Lisanna,Pantherlily would be 7-A solid or likely high 7-A for helping in battle with diffrent spriggans and Pantherlily is comparable if not stronger than them.

Last thing I would like to add since we talk is how to scale August,now his attack ignores durabilty vaporising blood of everyone around him but it also vaporises objects with a range of fiore "high 6-B" this has sense because Irene was able to affect Fiore with enchantment with a certain prep time and August here sacrifices his body using all of his magical energy and vaporises everything around him within a certain time so it's pretty solid there.

Aiden will probably add something about this explain on how he scaled and why since it was mostly done by him so for further explanation you should talk with him. I can add necessary scans and solve some doubt about what I wrote if necessary.

It summarises the entire thread we had so it's a bit long, still better than a huge thread thou.
 
Downgrade anyone to 7-A is really unfair considering that the likes of Lisanna and Base Wendy battle Spriggan with help, also, Downgrading Juvia and Lily would require downgrade Gajeel and Gray, since Gray only trained with Juvia and Gajeel neither did it with Lily, Levy or both

Other than that, the rest seems ok at first glance
 
I still agree with most of what LordAizen, TheBlueDash, Kuulichigo and Lina said in the previous thread.
 
KamiYasha said:
I still agree with most of what LordAizen, TheBlueDash, Kuulichigo and Lina said in the previous thread.
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Same.

If a casual attack from Irene broke Erza's bones, then in an armor that reduces her defense to "practically nothing", she tanks Irene's strongest attack, it's fairly clear what the outlier is.
 
While Erza didn't tank the attack directly (given that said armor concentrates all of her magic power into her sword and she cuts through said attack rather than taking it head on), I agree that it's probably just another one of Fairy Tail's infamous PIS Outliers at this point.

Furthermore, she only managed to inflict damage on Irene herself when a barely conscious Wendy imbued her attack with Dragon Slaying Magic, which, up to that point, was utterly ineffective against actual dragons due to the characters' power. Even with the timeskip, it's still doubles down on the fact that this is likely an outlier.
 
Well, personally I still think that we should count the Erza/Irene High 6-C feat, especially given that Irene also shrank a country, that Brandish has a 6-C feat, that Invel may have frozen said shrunk country, and that August seemed capable of melting the country and its people via a suicide attack.
 
I don't know why you keep bringing up Brandish's feat when it is clearly hax - Irene's also and that required prep.

Invel's feat is irrelevant and all he did was cause a blizzard. Which, IIRC, is environmental destruction.

And there is really no point of bring August up when that was a suicide move which won't scale to anyone. Also, August said he was going to destroy the country but was quickly contradicted by Mavis saying he was going to destroy the town and that he didn't have enough magic.

It has been mostly accepted as an outlier.
 
I mean Irene required prep time for universe 1 which is enviromental destruction, brandish 's abilities are almost exclusively Hax, and August's attack was a Suicide attack with conflicting translations.

Not that it matters, as other feats have nothing to do with this feat. In context this is an outlier and a lot of staff members agreed.
 
I do not think that the Brandish feat is purely hax anymore. All feats in Fairy Tail are supposedly directly proportionate to the level of magic power.

I think that we should be fair to Fairy Tail, and use its higher feats, just like we do for most other franchises.
 
I think its more than being fair, it's being biased. Nigh everyone here thinks Erzas feat is a outlier

The "FT is a victim card" is getting old
 
Well, I can see the meteorite being an outlier for Erza, but not for Irene, given that she also shrank the country.

Perhaps we should keep only Irene and August at High 6-C, and scale the others from Brandish?
 
Well, it seems like we have an agreement then.
 
Somebody still has to carry out the changes though.
 
According to this calc that is linked in Brandish's profile, if you scroll down through the comments, God Movement and I think Iwan agreed with using this calc.

The results which I have no idea, but according to the comments is City level.
 
Well, that would complicate matters considerably. Then we might have to go back to scaling most of the Spriggan and Fairy Tail members from Natsu's Mountain level lake evaporation feat again.
 
Well, if people wants to go back to scale from tje City level and 7-A feats, I don't any problem

Only if you could gave the time to make a thread for re-scaling, because I'm kind of busy with some "medical thingy", but I don't want to simply drop the matter here.
 
Okay. I think that we can wait for you. However, I would personally prefer if we scale the top tier Fairy Tail members, and most spriggan, from the 6-C Brandish calculation, and August and Irene from the High 6-C feat.
 
Yeah, I was going ask about that.

I understand that Irene is one of the strongest, but should the spriggan be that much weaker? I think the current scaling is correct, but I can see why people would have troubles with it.
 
Yes. That is my viewpoint as well. It would be strange if Irene and August were placed so far above the others.
 
Also, about the people talking about Erza and the meteor, APwise, I don't see the problem with the feat, she destroyed the meteor. If Irene surpassed her with a blow, it was likely because she had more power to show. Now, respect to Erza surviving the crash, that's PIS, for sure, but her armor focused in defense should be comparable to her AP with Clean Heart cloth.

Also, some people said that calcing her arm movement during the crash might give good results, but I would check that later.
 
I agree. Erza, Natsu and Gray along with the FT Top tiers should keep 6-C while losing the High 6-C statistics. Irene, August, Zeref, Prime Igneel and Acno will keep their statistics.
 
That seems fine, yes.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
I agree. Erza, Natsu and Gray along with the FT Top tiers should keep 6-C while losing the High 6-C statistics. Irene, August, Zeref, Prime Igneel and Acno will keep their statistics.
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Why losing? I can maybe agree with Erza, but why Natsu and Gray?
 
Well I was just going by simple suggestions. I forgot Erza is likely on the border to Large Island level. She just hasn't gotten a power-up like the other two. So Natsu and Gray are fine.
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
Also, about the people talking about Erza and the meteor, APwise, I don't see the problem with the feat, she destroyed the meteor. If Irene surpassed her with a blow, it was likely because she had more power to show. Now, respect to Erza surviving the crash, that's PIS, for sure, but her armor focused in defense should be comparable to her AP with Clean Heart cloth.
Also, some people said that calcing her arm movement during the crash might give good results, but I would check that later.
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I think you're missing the point.

The fact that Irene's casual attacks broke Erza's bones, but when wearing an armor that reduces her durability to "practically nothing", she survived Irene's most powerful attack.

It's like if Goku got decimated by Frieza's casual ki blasts but then tanked and overpowered his Death Ball.
 
So, is anybody interested in handling the rescaling from High 6-C to 6-C?
 
I'm sorry Ant, but why are you ignoring the points that are brought up about it being an outlier?

And that Brandish calc I already talked about above.

I know Aiden is the FT expert, but most of the admin that were on the thread agreed.
 
Because it is not an outlier for Irene, only for Erza. Irene is a dragon who also shrank the country. Causing a High 6-C meteorite to fall is not out of the ordinary for her.

As for the lower result Brandish calculation, I remember that we discarded it after a discussion, since we considered the OBD version more reliable.
 
I know. I was talking about Erza.

Even though the person who made the calc, Iwan, agreed with using the other calc? And another person named God Movement who I assume is also another important calcer.

I posted all of this up top, so I don't know why I have to keep repeating myself.
 
Well, I agree about Erza, but think that we should continue to scale August, Irene, Acnologia, Igneel, and maybe Zeref from the High 6-C feat.

I am uncertain about the Brandish feat. If Iwandesu and God Movement truly prefered the other version, it might be best if somebody in our own calc group re-calculates it.

However, it does not particularly make sense for all of the other Spriggan and Fairy Tail members to be so far below August and Irene.
 
I suppose, but it still makes better sense to me that the others would be regular 6-C.
 
Really Ant? On the blog that made them all 6-C I said something about how we shouldn't agree all the time with what OBD agrees with, and now you don't want to budge on this Brandish calc even though 2 of them are highly experienced calcers and one of them being a FT calcer.

Edit: Just because it makes sense doesn't mean it is right. I don't know why you're so adamant about the downgrade.
 
Well, okay. I suppose that we have to scale from Natsu's 7-A feat instead then.
 
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