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Vegeta fights a blonde woman... again (7-12-1).

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Speed is equalized. Both are 4-B. Carol at her 2nd key, while this is Black arc Chou Vegeta with access up to SSJ2 so no Godly Forms.

Vegeta: 7 (UchihaSlayer96, ChocomilkAlex, XSOULOFCINDERX, CyroTheMayo, AwkguyDB, Dragomer, Milly Rocking Bandit

Carol: 12 (00potato, LordTracer, LSirLancelotDuLacl, Litentric Teon, Zark2099, DarkGrath, Schnee One, Firephoenixearl, Spinoirr, Newendigo, DizzyMW3, Maverick

Incon: 1 (Nitro90

(Damn, I must do Goku or Vegeta vs Post Crisis Superman someday).
 
Ms Marvel backscales from 400 KiloFoe while Vegeta in Base scales massively above 4 KiloFoe. Add SSJ and SSJ2 on top of that. Vegeta is at the very least 320 KiloFoe going by this, but the number could actually be faaaar higher.
 
Since at bare minimum Vegeta isn't too far below her in AP I gotta give this one to the Prince. Vegeta has far more skill and experience than her, can grow stronger as fights go on, and has attacks that amp his AP as well such as the Final Flash and the Gamma Burst flash( Which can obliterate Fusion Zamasu who's far far above Vegeta at the time).

Vegeta finally gets his revenge on a blonde woma
 
He can just go hand to hand, and then finish her off with Gamma Burst Flash when he finds an opening. Vegeta isn't really stupid to keep giving her weak enough energy attacks to be absorbed. And it's not his first rodeo fighting against an opponent that can absorb energy.
 
Doesn't Carol have things like gravity manipulation and vibration manipulation? As well as radiation manipulation? Those all sound like things that would help her greatly here if they're combat applicable.
 
I might vote carol, Vegeta has a decent skill advantage but it isn't so much that she can't grapple and hit him with the energy drain. Is this Vegeta still kinda cocky? That might screw him over
 
Litentric Teon said:
Doesn't Carol have things like gravity manipulation and vibration manipulation? As well as radiation manipulation? Those all sound like things that would help her greatly here if they're combat applicable.
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If I'm not mistaken those are in her third(Binary) key? Anyway Vegeta happens to resist radiation and is adapted to AT LEAST 300x gravity lol.
 
00potato said:
I might vote carol, Vegeta has a decent skill advantage but it isn't so much that she can't grapple and hit him with the energy drain. Is this Vegeta still kinda cocky? That might screw him over
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No he's had a lot of character development since then. He's nowhere near as cocky as before.
 
Still Voting Carol, she starts out with a big AP advantage and could get him before he fully transforms for a big chunk of damage, she has drain to beat projectiles and can use it in close combat going off the profile.
 
This is true. Though if her gravity has affected others on her level, it should still work on Vegeta. He uses gravity as a means of getting stronger, meaning that his strength, durability, and AP increases as a result. That's why he can fight through said gravity as opposed to resisting gravity. At least, I see no resistance to gravity manip on his page.

His resistance to radiation is also based on the fact that he can survive in space. If Ms. Marvel can produce more concentrated amounts he shouldn't be able to resist that.

However, I can't really divine much about her abilities from the profile. They're not explained in too much depth, or any depth at all in the case of vibration manipulation. Her abilities also aren't separated by keys, so I was assuming she has access to all of them across her keys. But, I'm not expert, so I cannot be completely sure.
 
How does Carol's energy drain work? Vegeta has recently been energy drained by Moro and lost the fight due to it so if it's similar to how his works then it would probably give her the win.
 
They gain resistance to gravity in Dragon ball through training because prior to Said training the Gravity has negative effects on their bodies as was the case with Goku on King Kais planet. Again pretty sure those are her abilities in Binary but I don't think it matters either way. Not to mention, DB Characters' Aura acts as a barrier around them so that could protect them from the radiation if it's in the form of a concentrated blast of energy.

Vegeta also doesn't waste time transforming if he feels his opponent is strong enough to warrant it, and his Reactive power level will quickly bridge any gap if there is one. With his SSJ multipliers he should be easily above 400 KiloFoe. Probably much higher because his base form at this point is stronger than Kid Buu who's astronomically above Cell. So yeah I think AP won't be an issue.
 
Purgy said:
How does Carol's energy drain work? Vegeta has recently been energy drained by Moro and lost the fight due to it so if it's similar to how his works then it would probably give her the win.
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Moro's drain doesn't require contact, so if her absorption doesn't require contact it might be a huge advantage.
 
Since it's contact based she'd have to catch vegeta first, which will continuously get harder as he evolves and gets stronger and faster throughout the fight.
 
To address the point on gravity, if it's not on his profile, then there's likely a good reason for it. Sure, he can fight in gravity several hundred times that of the earth. Yet that is due to him using that as a training method to specifically get stronger. It's similar to a regular human training to be able to jump higher and they succeed in doing so. Said person isn't resisting gravity, they just got stronger. It's the same with Vegeta. I'm sure a CRT would be needed to add a resistance to gravity manip on his profile.

Regardless, I don't think I can safely cast a vote without actually knowing how the rest of Carol's abilities work. Can she absorb kinetic energy from attacks? How potent is her radiation manip? How does her vibration manip work?
 
@00potato

It has been already addressed that Carol doesn't really have the AP advantage. Quite the opposite in fact.
 
I took another look at her profile. It seems Carol can absorb kinetic energy. Can she just absorb the KE from Vegeta's blows to render them null?
 
Litentric Teon said:
To address the point on gravity, if it's not on his profile, then there's likely a good reason for it. Sure, he can fight in gravity several hundred times that of the earth. Yet that is due to him using that as a training method to specifically get stronger. It's similar to a regular human training to be able to jump higher and they succeed in doing so. Said person isn't resisting gravity, they just got stronger. It's the same with Vegeta. I'm sure a CRT would be needed to add a resistance to gravity manip on his profile.

Regardless, I don't think I can safely cast a vote without actually knowing how the rest of Carol's abilities work. Can she absorb kinetic energy from attacks? How potent is her radiation manip? How does her vibration manip work?
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It is on his profile though. That's he's adapted to gravity. It's been shown multiple times in the series that characters weaker than a certain threshold will be negatively affected by the effects of high gravity, while characters like Vegeta have trained to not be affected by it at all. A really great example of this is his "Fight" against Pui Pui in the Buu Saga.
 
Litentric Teon said:
I took another look at her profile. It seems Carol can absorb kinetic energy. Can she just absorb the KE from Vegeta's blows to render them null?
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That would probably be an NLF if she was able to do it passively.
 
We need some Carol supporters to definitively tell us what she can do in her base form. It'll make our lives so much easier.
 
@Uchiha

I've seen it. But there's still a reason it isn't listed on his profile. It's for the reason I just explained. You even said that characters that are weaker can't do so. And it's precisely because they are weak that they can't jump as high in higher gravity. It's not that gravity has literally zero effect on them. It simply has less of an effect. But even then, he was jumping. If he was outright resistant, then he should've been able to fly for a prolonged period. The reason he can fight in gravity is exactly as you said, because he's strong. However, being strong by itself doesn't grant him resistance to gravity manip. (Otherwise, every 4-B would have resistance to gravity manip)

@Choco

It wouldn't be NLF if she demonstrated the ability to do so. However, the profile lacks such details on the ability. Hence why I'm withholding a vote. Even with her gravity manip, there's no potency/applications for it listed. So I've no idea how effective it would be here.
 
Omegas03 said:
@00potato

It has been already addressed that Carol doesn't really have the AP advantage. Quite the opposite in fact.
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She does over bare Vegeta, your comment supports it.
 
@Litentric Teon

Except he indeed is unaffected by lower forms of gravity than what he's already adapted to. Again watch the Pui Pui fight because it shows this very clearly. And again Vegeta can just brute force his way through it. But like you said let's wait for an expert on captain marvel to tell us exactly what she can do here.
 
@00potato

That was by an very Low estimative and the gap wasn't even noticeable as you are making it seem.
 
She does over bare Vegeta, your comment supports it.

Base Vegeta can sense energy. If he finds that she's stronger he'll immediately transform.
 
My initial plan was to put Vegeta against Hela. I would love to see a match between these two tbh.
 
00potato said:
Him transforming does give carol a clear opportunity and her other hax helps.
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She has no other hax in base lol. Im 90% sure the Gravity stuff is in her Binary form.

But again we need some Carol supporters to clarify her abilities for us.
 
@00potato

Vegeta transforms almost instantly, it's not like the first SSJ3 transformation so there is no opening for Carol to take advantage of.
 
@Uchiha

That does sound like resistance. Maybe start a CRT to get it added to his profile? Seems like a simple fix if he does resist gravity manip that simply.

And I agree. Maybe we can notify someone on the knowledgeable members list for what Carol can do in her 4-B form.
 
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