• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Upgrade for Highschool Dxd

Status
Not open for further replies.
324
16
With the volume 21 is already done being translated, I feel like some character in dxd universe need some revision especially Hyoudou Issei and Vali Lucifer, because these two just perform some incredible feat. I am gonna start quantified some feat that Vali perform

Vali's Feat within the recent Volume

Speed.

*Credit goes to Falbium from AnimeVice and MAPSK from Narutoforum

"After flying at high speed over the mountain range for a few seconds, Vali found the source of the powerful aura. The other party had also noticed him. However, they didn't launch any attacks in his direction. Vali stopped and landed near him. Standing before him was a colossal black dragon with three heads. Aŝi Dahāka looked towards Vali with a welcoming expression."

As you can see, Vali cross a mountain range in matter a second and the mountain range is Caucasus mountain range, if you are wandering how am I coming to this conclusion, I am going to explain that part later. Now we know that Vali cross a mountain range according to wiki and some other site Caucasus mountain range have a length of roughly 1100 Km and width of 160 Km, but then again there is no way we could exactly pin point of where he start and where he landed. So I am assuming he need 5(Normal) and 9(Low Ball) seconds for him to cross just to be safe

IF he cross entire length of the mountain range
Mach 647 Massively Hypersonic (5 seconds)
Mach 359 MHS (9 second)

IF he cross the entire width of the mountain range

Mach 94 High Hypersonic+ (5 seconds)
Mach 54 High Hypersonic+ (9 seconds)

And the most impressive about this feat is that Vali cross this mountain range only in his Balance Breaker Mode so his speed is most likely far higher with the Maou Deification, the most recent power he attain and is even more powerfull than his Juggernaut Over Drive.

Attack Potency

"Both sides flew into the air at the same time! The Maouified Vali flapped his twelve wings of Lucifer, which caused all of the snow in the surrounding area to melt instantaneously, and even the rock below became exposed. The Lucifer and A┼¥i Dah─üka flying above the ground began to clash with each other in mid-air. Vali sharply thrust his hand out and released a jolt of demonic energy. A┼¥i Dah─üka instantly activated teleportation magic, and evaded it. —But, Vali decimated the entire mountaintop that A┼¥i Dah─üka had evaded to. Under such circumstances, it was possible to cause mass destruction simply by unleashing his demonic energy towards his directio, and due to his immense power, even escaping from it was highly difficult. While relying on teleportation magic to increase their distance, A┼¥i Dah─üka felt surprised by Vali who was easily destroying mountaintops, but at the same time, he also felt joy."

"Even A┼¥i Dah─üka failed to think that the wyverns were able to use that absolute power. Having been obstructed by the halving field for a moment, that moment was enough to ensure that Vali would be able to successfully strike him with his demonic energy. But just in the nick of time, A┼¥i Dah─üka avoided a direct hit by using teleportation magic to escape. Vali's blast of demonic energy lost its target, and collided with the tall mountain in the distance. With a loud boom, the five thousand metre tall mountain was instantly decimated—."


As you can see, Vali Destroy entire mountaintops and annihilate a 5000 meter tall mountain by simply releasing some of his energy. I personally think that those two feat should be rated at least mountain busting feat.

"After Vali's final attack ended, the mountains and earth had been torn through, leaving a wide fissure in the middle. The bombardment of aura just then had travelled several kilometres, no, it went as far as the edge of the horizon. The path that the aura travelled through was covered in the remnants of the jet-black demonic energy of Lucifer, and was completely barren. Despite all that, Aŝi Dahāka was still alive. No, he was on the verge of death, and about to breathe his last breath. Only a single head was left. Vali moved towards the only head that remained of Aŝi Dahāka. Even in the face of death, the legendary Evil Dragon still showed an irreverent smile."

My favorite feat in entire franchise, this attack should be rated as island busting attack, the reason why, is because the attack didn't hit the ground meaning it destroy those mountains by the shockwave thus the initial fire power should be far higher the than mountain busting attack.

Vali abilities Upgrade:

1. Dragon Lucifer Drive/ Maouificatio

2. Dividing Wyvern Fairies, same ability with Issei's although these guys is able to use Half Dimension and Reduce.

3. Reduce, Albion's Poison
Quote from Albion about Reduce "My poison is able to reduce all existences aside from inorganic objects. As long as it's a living being, its blood, bones, organs, and soul can be cut down bit by bit, so even for extraordinary beings, everything in their bodies can be 'reduced'."

4.
Satan Compression Divider, almost the same as the normal Compression Divider but instead release a Demonic energy that divide everything it touch
Quote "What Vali released was the ultimate blast of demonic radiance. Silvery-white and jet-black streams of light were interwoven with each other, and all of the magic that A┼¥i Dah─üka and his clones released — was instantly compressed over and over again, and eventually eliminated. Even all of his clones had been blown away, leaving behind only the original."

5.
Reflect, the same as Issei



Issei's feat within the recent Volume

It's kinda hard when it comes down to Issei's feat, but now we know that Issei should be compareable to Vali and the fact we already quantified Vali feat both in BB and Satan Lucifer Drive it should be easy

Speed.

Issei's speed in his BB + Welsh Sonic Boost Knight should be compareable with Vali BB speed the other thing that I want to point out is that Issei did speed blitz Kuisha, she once able react to Akeno lighting remember?, so if we connect those two event I think it's pretty solid reason to put Issei BB Speed between HS+ and MHS( the same tier as Vali)

Attack Potency.

Attack potency is little bit tricky so bear with me for now

"…After having brought down so many Evil Dragons, they had produced reinforcements so easily, it was truly frustrating! Not only that, finally, finally! Trihexa also began to move—! It opened its mouth wide, and spat out an enormous fireball! The people who were directly in front of the fireball were swallowed up by the fireball without being able to do a thing. Nothing remained of them—. The enormous fireball flew towards the uninhabited island behind us—. Almost instantaneously, the sound of an explosion and the resulting shockwave was transmitted to us, and the whole island was destroyed. Just one fireball had completely destroyed a small island—. If that had hit us, all of us would have been fatally injured."

As you can see a portion of Trihexa destroyed a small island with single fire breath btw, later on Issei unlocked one of Ddraig finishing move called Blazing Inferno of Scorching Flames a fire that burn the target until it turns into ashes with exception somebody who is stronger then you or as strong as you

Quote anout Blazing Inferno of Scorching Flames

"—[Blazing Inferno of Scorching Flames]. The ultimate flames which can incinerate anything. Once ignited, they will never go out. Even gods will be burnt to ashes within these flames. And the only one that it is ineffective against is Albion. …Well, if it was Great Red, or the Infinite Ophis, it might also be ineffective."

From quote above we can take a conclusion that the fire burn anything and is ineffective against somebody who is stronger than you or more. Issei use this move against one of the Trihexa core and the flame literally burn the core to ashes, meaning Issei in Diabolos Dragon should be stronger than one of tha Trihexa core and considering a portion of Trihexa destroy and island with a single breath, I guess it safe to assume that Issei is also capable of the same feat.

Another thing I want to point out is that Issei defeat Aphopis who could perform island level feat

Quote

"Apophis' entire body — gradually became enveloped in darkness. As if in response to the entire island being enshrouded by darkness, the darkness hovering around Apophis' body gradually began to expand, and slowly change. It finally formed a shape, and had become some kind of large object. A solar eclipse floated in the sky above the island, which revealed only a thin halo of light. And obscuring that was an Evil Dragon who had already transformed and was now hovering in the air—. The thing which appeared in the sky to obscure the barrier was a gigantic serpentine dragon with a total length that exceeded one hundred metres. It was completely black in colour, but it also had gems on its body which released a silvery, shimmering glow. It had three eyes upon its head, with each of them also releasing a silver luminance."

There are other thing that I want to point out but I guess it's enough to proof that Issei Diabolos Dragon is at least Island level at this point.

Issei Ability Upgrade

1. Blazing Inferno of Scorching Flames, this ability is already explained above.


So what do you think? Please tell me what do you think about my post because I am new to this kind of stuff and English is not a main language for me so any thought about the post or about my grammar error will be greatly appreciated.
 
I don't know anything about the series, but this seems fairly legit from what I read. I'll highlight it so it can get more traffic.
 
Most of this seems relatively sound, but the whole Caucasus Mountain Range thing, Welsh Sonic Boost Knight (magical lightning is not considered to be real lightning unless it's proven to have similar properties), and Solar Eclipse feat have me scratching my head.
 
Sorry for the late replay, now for the Caucasus Mountain range, you see later vali Bust 5000 meter tall mountain and considering Dxd verse takes place on earth, thare is actually exist 5000 meter tall mountain in Caucasus mountain range called Mount Elbrus so Caucasus mountain range is the most likely mountain range that Vali cross
 
Vali fight takes place at Europe

"In the mountainous region of a certain European country, the battle against Trihexa, an army of Evil Dragons, and an army of fake Sekiryuutei began. The forces engaging with them were the Vali Team, Slash Dog Team, and magicians from other organisations who all belonged to the anti-terrorist Team [DxD]."

so we should only focus on mountain range in Europe.
 
I think that "At least Mountain level. Possibly Island level" seems reasonable at least.
 
I agree with Ant but the thing i acctually want to focus is about the speed of Vali and Issei( Issei have unknown speed btw)
 
To note on the speed Good, is because we had no basis for the speed rankings (no feats, calc's, scans of the feat, nothing). That's why he's unknown as of now.

I guess the ranking that Ant said here is fine enough unless the others think otherwise and prefer something else....maybe.

I do want to ask this: What Issei is this referring to? Cause we have like multiple key forms of him and i'm not sure if this is base Issei or any of the higher ones....or maybe we add a new key or something? Hmmm...
 
You will probably have to create a calculation blog post for the speed estimation, so we have something to link to in the profile.
 
GoodDaySir said:
Vali fight takes place at Europe
"In the mountainous region of a certain European country, the battle against Trihexa, an army of Evil Dragons, and an army of fake Sekiryuutei began. The forces engaging with them were the Vali Team, Slash Dog Team, and magicians from other organisations who all belonged to the anti-terrorist Team [DxD]."

so we should only focus on mountain range in Europe.
It takes place within a European country. Russia isn't European, it's Eurasian.
 
it is but please note that part of Russia is also in Europe, other thing that you should noted that so far as my research go the only 5000+ meter tall mountain is only exist in Caucasus mountain range( feel free to disagree)
 
@Ant

honestly it's my first time around the wiki, so please don't expect me create a calculation blog yet, but i can give you the rough calculation for the speed
 
GoodDaySir said:
it is but please note that part of Russia is also in Europe, other thing that you should noted that so far as my research go the only 5000+ meter tall mountain is only exist in Caucasus mountain range( feel free to disagree)
Mont Blanc is very near 5000 meters tall and it's in the Alps.
 
still not 5000 meter. Mont Blanc is only about 4800 meter tall but even if you go assuming it's Alps mountain range, i aassure you that the speed will only increase

under assuming Vali need 5 second or 9( low ball) IF he cross entire length of Alp mountain ranges(same as before)

his speed will reach about mach 705(5 secon) or 393(9 second) because Alp is a larger moutain range than Caucasus

for the width i can't find it anywhere so i would very appreciate it if you can inform me.
 
GoodDaySir said:
still not 5000 meter. Mont Blanc is only about 4800 meter tall but even if you go assuming it's Alps mountain range, i aassure you that the speed will only increase
under assuming Vali need 5 second or 9( low ball) IF he cross entire length of Alp mountain ranges(same as before)

his speed will reach about mach 705(5 secon) or 393(9 second) because Alp is a larger moutain range than Caucasus

for the width i can't find it anywhere so i would very appreciate it if you can inform me.
Well, Mont Blanc is 4900 m actually, and it's closer to 5000 m than any of the Caucasus mountains are. Plus it's smackdab in the middle of Europe.
 
regardless of Caucasus mountain range or Alp mountain range i guess we can reach to conclusion that Vali speed with his Balance breaker mode should be rated as High Hypersonic+ (the difference between Alp mountain and Caucasus is not that large it's not gonna disturb the speed result for the calculation)
 
Well, again, we still need somebody to write a blog with both calculations, or we have nothing to link to.
 
GoodDaySir said:
can you just link the page to this thread? just wandering.
It's a general thing for users and those of the staff's calc team to post calculations on a blog so...yeah. Sorry to burst your bubble or something, man. That's how we do things here when it comes to do that.

We tried that one time with one user's calc or something and it got takened out later the same day.

Seeing that you rcently got here and have yet to get the feel of things here and all, you could take your time with posting the calc as a blog. Yeah?
 
If your using a computer by any chance, you go to your profile here on this site. There you should see an option button that says "Blog", where you can post stuff on there about anything.

In the case of calc's, that's where you can post the stuff you made and put it there.

I hope this helps.
 
No problem. So yeah it's the same thing as here, you just copy and paste it onto that and it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Even then, you'll have to get it evaluated through here, which is where anybody of the community and staff (especially those who do calc's or know how to do them) can evaluate it and see if it's alright or not.

Good luck on it as well, btw.
 
This is a very simple calculation though. I am not sure if we need the calculation group to evaluate it.
 
Really? Welp then all GoodDay needs to do is just copy and paste his Speed calc here as a blog and we're good to go.
 
Okay. Good, you can send a link of your calc blog over to where Antvasima have presented here.

Actually hang on, i'll try to do it for you.
 
Was that supposed to be an update or a new revision of the previous calc? Cause technically GoodDay, you could have also went to your previous blog (the first one you did here) and update it. It's normally so that users don't have to waste blogs and such. Just to let you know.
 
it's a part of my previous Blog but i forgot about it than when i tried to update/edit it, i cannot edit it's visual and only able to edit it's source( i got confuse how to edit it) so i decide to make a new blog.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top