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A THIRD SU vs. DB match (Grace!)

Soupywolf5

Soupywolf5

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Connie Maheswaran vs. Mister Satan (Because Satan is such a sell-out that he needs to fight a 12 year old for money)

Hercule had just won the world martial arts tournament, but then: Here comes a new challenger! A girl with a giant sword steps into the arena, so Hercule prepares to fight her like the sell-out he is (God that was cringe)

Speed equalized, Connie has Rose's sword (Still not sure if I need to specify that)

The man who killed Majin Buu, and Cell: 1?

The World's Strongest Bookworm: 7

Inconclusive

Connie
Connie Dual Swords
Hercule
 
I'm pretty sure Connie skills stomps Videl. Anyways does Connie ap stomp here, or at least wins so easily via skill that this isn't a "notable victory" and can't be added?
 
Keeweed said:
I'm pretty sure Connie skills stomps Videl. Anyways does Connie ap stomp here, or at least wins so easily via skill that this isn't a "notable victory" and can't be added?
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The AP gap is around 5.2x
 
So how is this fight a 'notable victory' or 'notable loss' if Connor can just walk through all of Satan's attacks and outskill him into the dirt? I believe in the thread revising our stomp policy it was decided the fight actually had to be notable to be added. And a character getting almost one shot from someone superior to him them in every way doesn't sound notable in the slightest.
 
Yeah but combine that with Connie having nearly every other advantage by a gigantic margin then it becomes a stomp. She almost one hits him, plus he can never hit her due to her abilities and skill advantage.

Also it doesn't even need to be a stomp, what I was trying to explain is that this fight is a obvious no brainer and that the recent revisions to stomp matches may make this not be able to be added as this won't be a notable fight. It's so decisive that it literally is meaningless.
 
Keeweed said:
Yeah but combine that with Connie having nearly every other advantage by a gigantic margin then it becomes a stomp. She almost one hits him, plus he can never hit her due to her abilities and skill advantage.

Also it doesn't even need to be a stomp, what I was trying to explain is that this fight is a obvious no brainer and that the recent revisions to stomp matches may make this not be able to be added as this won't be a notable fight. It's so decisive that it literally is meaningless.
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Go make a CRT then if you wish to challenge the topic.
 
I'm just wanted to point out what I read on the recent threads defining stomps, if that part of the thread wasn't accepted I still think this match is a mismatch. I think people focus to much on ap without realizing the Connie also outskills so hilariously + has a gigantic ap advantage that it doesn't matter that it isn't literally instant death because Satan can't win here anyways.

Connie also has a sword so it makes the ap advantage even worse for Satan.
 
i wouldnt say she massively outskills, satan is one of the best fighters in DB its just that the main cast outclasses him so completely that he looks like a joke plus he is much more experienced than connie and has been fighting for much longer so the skill gap shouldnt be massive.
 
She fights people that have lived around 6000 that have fought and trained for most of that. That includes a war.

Sure Satan isn't a push over, but Connie defeated someone who was single handily changing the tide of a war the very first day they came out of the ground.
 
Do you mean Jasper? Because Connie needed to fuse with Steven to beat her (Although I can't really say how that impacts the skill thing)
 
Yeah it's Jasper but Connie should have been majority of skill part since they mainly used Rose's sword and that's Connie's weapon of expertise. Also she's been training with Pearl and was even gaining the upper hand when Pearl was mind controlled (though the mind control may have made Pearl dumber). So while I doubt she is as good as pearl, being within the same ball park is definitely well above Satan, especially when you combine that with Connie's ap and instinctive reactions (though I've been wanted to make a thread to remove that from Connie's profile for a really long time).
 
Why?

Because she gets it from flipping someone over after they bumped into her. In context it's much more likely she just trained to much and was jumpy at that time. I punched someone in the face when they leap out around a corner to scare me. That doesn't give me instinctive reactions, that's a natural flight or fight response and when you've been training to fight for the past couple days you're body is probably going to chose fight. Also Connie felt terrible about doing that for the entire episode and constantly tried to stop doing that so if it is instinctive reactions Connie actively was trying to get rid of it throughout the episode.
 
Soupywolf5 said:
She spent the episode getting over it (Which means she's likely fine with it)
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Even assuming she was trying to live with it rather than actually fixing the problem: It still most likely isn't instinctive reactions unless I have instinctive reactions from hitting someone that tried to quickly scare me or immediately sliding out of the way of a football because I instantly panicked. Or other people have instinctive reactions from jumping back because someone poked them awkwardly. It's a basic flight or fight response triggered due too much training. Not a special ability.
 
Well instinctive reaction is defined as just doing something without thinking, so all these examples technically are instinctive reaction (I guess)
 
Yeah but it has to be beyond the natural abilities a regular, functional flight or fight response would already give you. Unless everyone would have instinctive reactions (I mean we technically do but not as in a special power). At best I could see Connie having minor instinctive reactions but I doubt it. But this is derailing so I'll just make a thread about it tomorrow morning (or Saturday because I have to work tomorrow).
 
Satan Via Social Influencing allowing him to talk her down, Standard Equipment giving him a jet pack and via lifting strength (he can just yeet her away). Also because no set location the fight takes place in NY because of SBA which Satan is more suited for.
 
Connie has a sword with nigh one shot worthy ap. Good luck grabbing onto her without being cut in half especially since she's vastly more skilled. Mister Satan would also need to start a conversation to use social influencing but Connie instantly kills him in a single hit so he wouldn't have time to do that.
 
There isn't blood lust so connie wouldn't automatically try and kill Satan, Also she may be a master swordsman but without the sword she'd be outclassed, all the champ needs to do is disarm her and he's just throw her away.
 
SBA says she probably will, and instinctive reaction plus a massive skill advantage means she'll be dodging most, if not all of Satan's attacks
 
Also Connie scales above Rubies who have class 50 LS, and goes against Steven who has Smurf social influencing so your arguments are invalid
 
Soupywolf5 said:
SBA says she probably will, and instinctive reaction plus a massive skill advantage means she'll be dodging most, if not all of Satan's attacks
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SBA states that a character is willing to kill, not that they will. If it comes to it she will try to kill satan but since the time period that she had Rose's Sword was when she was date/being besties (I still not exactly sure) with steven, a pasifist she won't go for the kill instantly.
 
Soupywolf5 said:
Also Connie scales above Rubies who have class 50 LS, and goes against Steven who has Smurf social influencing so your arguments are invalid
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A. Make a thread about that if you want that to count

B. She spares with him, not actually trying to fight him
 
Tots Real said:
There isn't blood lust so connie wouldn't automatically try and kill Satan, Also she may be a master swordsman but without the sword she'd be outclassed, all the champ needs to do is disarm her and he's just throw her away.
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One of the first things you learn in self defense is that someone with a weapon is almost automatically superior to you and that trying to disarm them is practically suicide. Add on the fact Connie is more skilled then Satan and you have a sword shoved into a man's neck.

Also Satan's social influencing realizes on people knowing him for the most part. Yeah he can talk some people down, but Connie already knows someone with much better social influencing (granted Steven's also realizes on people knowing something about him).

Sure she isn't bloodlusted but Satan is primarily a melee fighter so once he throws out a kick or punch that give Connie a reason to just stab him, and he doesn't know she's five times stronger so he gets wrecked from her first hit while his does nothing to her.
 
We're not using Connie from the middle of the series we're using her from the end of it (She just so happens to have Rose's sword here), and I'm pretty sure Connie's Striking Strength scales to 3.4 Megajoules too, so even without her sword she'll still have a big AP advantage (And she'll be able to take quite a few of Satans attacks) would you prefer if I specify a starting distance, and location?
 
A. Make a thread about that if you want that to count

B. She spares with him, not actually trying to fight him

'Twas a joke M8 (Also by go against him I meant go against his wishes, not when they're actually fighting)
 
Keeweed said:
One of the first things you learn in self defense is that someone with a weapon is almost automatically superior to you and that trying to disarm them is practically suicide. Add on the fact Connie is more skilled then Satan and you have a sword shoved into a man's neck.

Also Satan's social influencing realizes on people knowing him for the most part. Yeah he can talk some people down, but Connie already knows someone with much better social influencing (granted Steven's also realizes on people knowing something about him).

Sure she isn't bloodlusted but Satan is primarily a melee fighter so once he throws out a kick or punch that give Connie a reason to just stab him, and he doesn't know she's five times stronger so he gets wrecked from her first hit while his does nothing to her.
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I mean Satan is a Scaredy cat so he'd make sure to keep his distance and throw cars at her.
 
I mean Satan is a Scaredy cat so he'd make sure to keep his distance and throw cars at her.

I don't think he's ever resorted to throwing cars at people (Does Central Park have a lot of cars? I'd assume so)
 
Soupywolf5 said:
I don't think he's ever resorted to throwing cars at people
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We'll he's never had the option to throw a car at some, since of SBA he's running distance from a car and If he doesn't have cars he'd through trees.
 
I don't think he's actually strong enough to uproot trees (Unless the strength needed for that is a lot lower then I remember)
 
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