- 6,632
- 6,816
Before I start the revision I must clarify that this revision will not remove 5-B from the DB profiles or upgrade them into another tier, this is just made with the purpose to finally clearly define the AP of the 5-B characters and maybe upgrade them, but that's it. This all started back in the summer of this year when we I found out that supposedly all of the 5-B characters simply scaled to or upscale from Piccolo's Beginning of Z 69.69 Zettaton feat and have no higher ap, and I believe that is wrong. Now I might be misinformed and am probably making assumptions about the characters ap, but I'm still gonna make this revision. One last thing before I start, this will only be using three things: Kaio-Ken multipliers, Power Levels (only for scaling purposes), and possibly Oozaru. Now then, let us begin.
Kaio-Ken is accepted in this site as a clear multiplier, so we shall be using that for the beginning. Post-King Kai Training Goku obviously scales above Piccolo's 69.69 Zettaton feat based on the simple fact of being immensely stronger than a character (Raditz), who basically stomps BoZ Piccolo. So now we simply take Goku's ap and multiply it with the different Kaio-Ken multipliers. Post-King Kai Goku:
Base= 69.69 Zettatons
Kaio-Ken= 139.38
Kaio-Ken x3= 209.07
Kaio-Ken x4= 278.76
This is simple enough, but one thing that should also be noted is that Kaio-Ken also multiplies one's power level. We know that Post-KK Training Goku has a Power Level above 8000, but for simplicities sake we shall assume he has a Power Level of 8000. So now we multiply his PL based on the Kaio-Ken multiplier: 8000x2= 16,000, 8000x3= 24,000, and 8000x4= 32,000.
So basically the scaling would go like this:
PL of 16,000-23,999= 139.38 Zettatons
PL of 24,000-31,999= 209.07 Zettatons
PL of 32,000 and onwards= 278.76 Zettatons
Vegeta has a Power Level of 18,000 during the Saiyan Saga and could overcome Kaio-Ken Goku, so he would scale to 139.38 Zettatons. The reason why this matters to the revision is because of the Oozaru state. Zamasu told me that we treat Oozaru as a x10 multiplier, whether this is right or wrong can simply be debated in the thread. In the DB wiki (which may be wrong so take it with a grain of salt) it is stated that the Oozaru state also multiplies the user's Power Level by 10 times, so that means Oozaru Vegeta has a PL of 180,000 and an ap of 1,393.8 Zettatons, or 5-B+. There is also another character who also has a PL of 180,000, and that's Kaio-Ken Pre-Zenkai Goku so he would also scale to 1,393.8 Zettatons. Since Goku used Kaio-Ken to achieve that PL, that means his Base form PL and ap is half of that, so 90,000 and 696.9 Zettatons. So now the scaling would go like this:
PL of 16,000-23,999= 139.38 Zettatons
PL of 24,000-31,999= 209.07 Zettatons
PL of 32,000-89,999= 278.76 Zettatons
PL of 90,000-179,999= 696.9 Zettatons
PL of 180,000 and onwards= 1,393.8 Zettatons
Now if the Oozaru isn't accepted to be a 10 times multiplier, then we can still rely on the Kaio-Ken to get the ap of the characters. So the Oozaru excluded PL Scaling would go like this:
PL of 16,000-23,999= 139.38 Zettatons
PL of 24,000-31,999= 209.07 Zettatons
PL of 32,000-179,999= 278.76 Zettatons
PL of 180,000 and onwards= 557.52 Zettatons
Sorry if this seems Low-Quality, I'm not used to making threads and let's please try to be civil about this.
Kaio-Ken is accepted in this site as a clear multiplier, so we shall be using that for the beginning. Post-King Kai Training Goku obviously scales above Piccolo's 69.69 Zettaton feat based on the simple fact of being immensely stronger than a character (Raditz), who basically stomps BoZ Piccolo. So now we simply take Goku's ap and multiply it with the different Kaio-Ken multipliers. Post-King Kai Goku:
Base= 69.69 Zettatons
Kaio-Ken= 139.38
Kaio-Ken x3= 209.07
Kaio-Ken x4= 278.76
This is simple enough, but one thing that should also be noted is that Kaio-Ken also multiplies one's power level. We know that Post-KK Training Goku has a Power Level above 8000, but for simplicities sake we shall assume he has a Power Level of 8000. So now we multiply his PL based on the Kaio-Ken multiplier: 8000x2= 16,000, 8000x3= 24,000, and 8000x4= 32,000.
So basically the scaling would go like this:
PL of 16,000-23,999= 139.38 Zettatons
PL of 24,000-31,999= 209.07 Zettatons
PL of 32,000 and onwards= 278.76 Zettatons
Vegeta has a Power Level of 18,000 during the Saiyan Saga and could overcome Kaio-Ken Goku, so he would scale to 139.38 Zettatons. The reason why this matters to the revision is because of the Oozaru state. Zamasu told me that we treat Oozaru as a x10 multiplier, whether this is right or wrong can simply be debated in the thread. In the DB wiki (which may be wrong so take it with a grain of salt) it is stated that the Oozaru state also multiplies the user's Power Level by 10 times, so that means Oozaru Vegeta has a PL of 180,000 and an ap of 1,393.8 Zettatons, or 5-B+. There is also another character who also has a PL of 180,000, and that's Kaio-Ken Pre-Zenkai Goku so he would also scale to 1,393.8 Zettatons. Since Goku used Kaio-Ken to achieve that PL, that means his Base form PL and ap is half of that, so 90,000 and 696.9 Zettatons. So now the scaling would go like this:
PL of 16,000-23,999= 139.38 Zettatons
PL of 24,000-31,999= 209.07 Zettatons
PL of 32,000-89,999= 278.76 Zettatons
PL of 90,000-179,999= 696.9 Zettatons
PL of 180,000 and onwards= 1,393.8 Zettatons
Now if the Oozaru isn't accepted to be a 10 times multiplier, then we can still rely on the Kaio-Ken to get the ap of the characters. So the Oozaru excluded PL Scaling would go like this:
PL of 16,000-23,999= 139.38 Zettatons
PL of 24,000-31,999= 209.07 Zettatons
PL of 32,000-179,999= 278.76 Zettatons
PL of 180,000 and onwards= 557.52 Zettatons
Sorry if this seems Low-Quality, I'm not used to making threads and let's please try to be civil about this.
