Goku vs Diamondhead (3-7-0)

[Spilxson2]

Ben 10 Aliens actually got upgraded to Low 5-B so I guess this is possible now

Saiyan Saga Goku vs Alien Force, Ultimate Alien and Omniverse Diamondhead

Speed is equalized

Both are Low 5-B

5-B Kaioken is restricted

Diamondhead's Attack Potency: 18.23928071 Zettatons (Low 5-B)
Goku's Attack Potency: 19.81333 Zettatons via the Dragon Ball AP Blog

Who wins?

Goku: XSOULOFCINDERX, Javenplayz253, Accelerated_Evolution

Diamondhead: zaraus, Apollonir.Scale, Spectra_Schiffer, Xleane, Mariogoods, TegamiBachi25, OMNIVERSAL-KING

Inconclusive:

 

[TauanVictor]

Goku skillstomps.

 

[Spilxson2]

Okay since Humungousaur only has physical strength I changed it to Diamondhead since he has more versatility

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Not voting yet but Dimaondhead does have some decent advantages

• Energy Absorption negates all of Goku’s ranged attacks
• Piercing Attacks that can easily cut through opponents with comparable durability
• High-Low Regeneration
• Huge edge in Lifting Strength
• Can incapacitate opponents by encasing them in crystal

 

[Spilxson2]

Is Goku only at 19 Zettatons with Kaioken specifically or is he like that normally and higher with Kaioken?

 

[zaraus]

Diamondhead FRA

 

[Xleane]

Diamond head wins

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I think Diamondhead would win due to superior talent

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Diamondhead FRA

 

[Spilxson2]

Counted

 

[Mariogoods]

Dimaondhead FRA.

 

[Javenplayz253]

His head is an diamond fra

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Diamond head FRA. Unless there’s an argument for Goku.

Also, isn’t the DB manga AP blog outdated?

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Regeneration gives diamondhead an advantage, he can trap Goku is well
Diamondhead

 

[Spilxson2]

That's grace

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Most of Diamondhead's votes does not seem like valid votes

You need a valid wincon, not just naming advantages/abilities of the character

And then after that, can you vote via FRA

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So it seems goku is 2-4x faster via Kaio-ken

Has a flight advantage and will continuously get stronger the more he fights

As well as higher skill advantages.

So Diamondhead needs to find a way to quickly deal with Goku's superior speed and senses until he becomes much stronger than he already is which will just end up giving goku a huge advantage over diamondhead

Slightly leaning with goku via getting even more stronger and faster, very fast but I'll vote incon via Goku's range attacks not being able to do anything and if he gets close/touches Dimondhead even with superior speed there's a chance of getting incased in harded Dimond still

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Is Goku only at 19 Zettatons with Kaioken specifically or is he like that normally and higher with Kaioken?

think normally via going of the profile

base goku 19.81333 Zettatons

2x Kaio-ken 39.62666 Zettatons

3x Kaio-ken 59.43999 Zettatons (Baseline planet level)

4x Kaio-ken 79.25332 Zettatons

Oh it's restricted

 

[zaraus]

So it seems goku is 2-4x faster via Kaio-ken

Has a flight advantage and will continuously get stronger the more he fights

As well as higher skill advantages.

So Diamondhead needs to find a way to quickly deal with Goku's superior speed and senses until he becomes much stronger than he already is which will just end up giving goku a huge advantage over diamondhead

Slightly leaning with goku via getting even more stronger and faster, very fast but I'll vote incon via Goku's range attacks not being able to do anything and if he gets close/touches Dimondhead even with superior speed there's a chance of getting incased in harded Dimond still

Flying doesn't mean much, the diamond head can attack at long distances and Goku cannot exceed the diamond head's Regeneration and Immortality type 2.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Flying doesn't mean much, the diamond head can attack at long distances

even in speed equal is goku dodging them easily... But now add the 4x speed on top of that... Those not even coming close in hitting him

Attacking long distances with no aoe won't do much

and Goku cannot exceed the diamond head's Regeneration and Immortality type 2.

Yes he can, high-low ain't as good as you think it is

High-Low: The ability to regenerate severed fingers, toes, or ears, minor organ damage, and even potentially reattach lost limbs. For machines and vehicles, this would be regenerating some interior damage, along with some minor critically damaged or destroyed parts.

And with reactive power level... He'll literally shatter him to pieces with just one hit

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I’m sorry but there is no way any of these votes are genuinely valid. You guys just listed Diamondhead’s abilities, said “yeah so he just wins” and then FRA trained. Wut.

Not voting yet but Dimaondhead does have some decent advantages

• Energy Absorption negates all of Goku’s ranged attacks
• Piercing Attacks that can easily cut through opponents with comparable durability
• High-Low Regeneration
• Huge edge in Lifting Strength
• Can incapacitate opponents by encasing them in crystal

Ok, so he uses non ranged attacks and skill diffs diamond head out of existence.

Piercing him how when he can fly or jump away or simply DODGE at any point in time and is a Genius fighter? Do people think anyone Goku has fought would beat him if they had a piercing attack? Is Diamondhead some skill god that would outmaneuver GOKU so bad he can stab him?

High-Low does not make you unbeatable in any way, shape or form. If he gets punched enough he goes down as Ben still feels pain, shown by Vilgax literally tossing him into the ground so hard Ben shifted to Ghostfreak and ran away.

Dodges the horrific, terrible, very obvious attempts to trap him in Crystal with his god tier battle IQ and THE ABILITY TO FLY. A single flex of Kaio-Ken would destroy the Crystal, and that’s assuming Goku ever lets Diamondhead touch him when he’s styling on him viscerally.

Flying doesn't mean much, the diamond head can attack at long distances and Goku cannot exceed the diamond head's Regeneration and Immortality type 2.

You gotta be kidding me with that. Goku dodges Ki blast attacks and beams that are far bigger and more impressive in number than this. Diamondhead is not catching him by constantly throwing diamonds at him. Goku would simply dodge around and through all of them.

Kaio-Ken and just Goku’s Accelerated Development is gonna knock Diamondhead out cold, he is not immune to damage and High Low is not impressive at all if he’s getting beaten like a piñata, as Vilgax shows in the scene you literally posted. Diamondhead got stomped so bad Ben turned into Ghostfreak to run away. If Diamondhead is immortal and Vilgax couldn’t beat him with sheer brute strength, why would he run?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Kiai Shockwaves destroy or deflect all of Diamondhead’s projectiles, Goku skill diffs him horrendously in cqc with analytical prediction, then seals the deal with Kaioken powered attacks to his head until he gets knocked out or broken (something High-Low does not cover is head damage).

 

[Chariot190]

King makes a decent argument. Leaning towards Goku but not voting yet.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Goku FRA.

 

[Javenplayz253]

Change my vote to goku ig fra

 

[Spilxson2]

Doesn't the Kaioken put a huge strain on his body? Plus the 5-B Kaioken amp is restricted

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Doesn't the Kaioken put a huge strain on his body? Plus the 5-B Kaioken amp is restricted

Base Kaioken is pretty easily maintained, it was Kaioken ×3 and ×4 that was breaking his body so quickly and even then Kaioken ×3 was spammable enough for him to beat the dogshit out of Vegeta.

 

[Chariot190]

Doesn't the Kaioken put a huge strain on his body? Plus the 5-B Kaioken amp is restricted

It's progressive. The higher he goes, the more strain. At this point in time, basic kaioken for example isnt an issue, 4x absolutely rags him thou.

5-B Kaioken, is Kaioken x3 pretty sure if his base is only 19~, so x2 is fine.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Doesn't the Kaioken put a huge strain on his body? Plus the 5-B Kaioken amp is restricted

Kaioken x2 is what he’s allowed as he’s still Low 5-B just higher. And that level is easily maintainable, it’s only when he starts using x3 and x4 that he gets seriously hurt.

And that also assumes Diamondhead is going to survive the initial Kaioken after Goku skill diffs him into the shadow realm and saves the Kaioken for a finishing attack.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

While yes, Diamondhead can still win, Goku wincons are far better, so Goku FRA for King and MonkeyOfLife reasons

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I’m sorry but there is no way any of these votes are genuinely valid. You guys just listed Diamondhead’s abilities, said “yeah so he just wins” and then FRA trained. Wut.

Many Vs Threads are just that, a train of FRA even if the thread has no one defending a side.

This one is unbelievable since Maverick didn't even say who he thought he would win, he just said some advantages that aren't that big.

It's cool that the diamond can absorb energy and re-release energy, but Goku, in addition to being comparable to his ki attacks, can also nullify them. In addition, Goku can perform Kiais, which are not exactly energy attacks and are invisible.

• Limited Attack Nullification: At this level, ki users can supress and nullify attacks[25]

• Shockwaves Generation (Can create powerful shockwaves via Kiai that can also cancel out Ki attacks)
• Air Manipulation & Shockwave Generation: At this level, ki users can fire kiais[97]
• Invisibility: Kiais are invisible to the naked eye[6]
• Limited Attack Reflection: Kiais can be used to reflect attacks[103]
• Explosion Manipulation: Kiais can directly[23] make explosions[104]
• Limited Attack Nullification: Kiais can be used to nullify attacks[105]

Regeneration will not prevent Ben from taking more severe attacks.

Already attack them from a long distance, like, really? It's not a big AOE, Goku can just destroy them, or dodge them, since he has Analytical Prediction.

• Enhanced Analytical Prediction (Can predict opponents based on movement[11], sense malicious intent[12], and feel small currents of air[13][14][15])

Or again, use kiais to destroy them.

Furthermore, from the profiles, Goku is a much better fighter than Ben, which only improves him along with the accelerated development of a Saiyan.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Ok, so he uses non ranged attacks and skill diffs diamond head out of existence.

Piercing him how when he can fly or jump away or simply DODGE at any point in time and is a Genius fighter? Do people think anyone Goku has fought would beat him if they had a piercing attack? Is Diamondhead some skill god that would outmaneuver GOKU so bad he can stab him?

High-Low does not make you unbeatable in any way, shape or form. If he gets punched enough he goes down as Ben still feels pain, shown by Vilgax literally tossing him into the ground so hard Ben shifted to Ghostfreak and ran away.

Dodges the horrific, terrible, very obvious attempts to trap him in Crystal with his god tier battle IQ and THE ABILITY TO FLY. A single flex of Kaio-Ken would destroy the Crystal, and that’s assuming Goku ever lets Diamondhead touch him when he’s styling on him viscerally.

Calm down bro... That person didn't even vote against goku, just listed possible advantages for Dimondhead

with his god tier battle IQ

Insane glaze...

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Calm down bro... That person didn't even vote against goku, just listed possible advantages for Dimondhead

Insane glaze...

None of that was against him, was just the only person that wrote anything so had to quote them.

And don’t worry about that glaze

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

None of that was against him, was just the only person that wrote anything so they had to become the sacrificial lamb.

 

[Spilxson2]

Alright just to make sure that this matchup isn't a total stomp, in addition to all of the advantages for Diamondhead that were already listed by Maverick_Zero_X, he can also cover his own body in spikes in case Goku tries physical hand to attacks. I'll count the Goku votes in a few minutes when I'm not busy

 

[Spilxson2]

Kiai Shockwaves destroy or deflect all of Diamondhead’s projectiles, Goku skill diffs him horrendously in cqc with analytical prediction, then seals the deal with Kaioken powered attacks to his head until he gets knocked out or broken (something High-Low does not cover is head damage).

So it seems goku is 2-4x faster via Kaio-ken

Has a flight advantage and will continuously get stronger the more he fights

As well as higher skill advantages.

So Diamondhead needs to find a way to quickly deal with Goku's superior speed and senses until he becomes much stronger than he already is which will just end up giving goku a huge advantage over diamondhead

Slightly leaning with goku via getting even more stronger and faster, very fast but I'll vote incon via Goku's range attacks not being able to do anything and if he gets close/touches Dimondhead even with superior speed there's a chance of getting incased in harded Dimond still

Are you both voting for Goku too?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Are you both voting for Goku too?

uhhhh sure, he seems to have a more reliable wincon the faster and stronger he'll become with amps and reactive power lvl

 

[Robo432343]

goku fra

 

[CBslayeR]

yeah Goku is kinda just skill stomping here

 

[Robo432343]

diamondhead will transform into alien x and win