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Xehanort vs Mundus (Grace)

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Both are at 3-A. Xehanort obviously is in his X-Blade/True Kingdom Hearts Key while Mundus will be in his Beasthead Alternate Timeline Key. This can be a battle for the 5th most powerful 3-A since Kingdom Hearts got A LOT of revisions applied to it on the last thread.

Xehanort: 10 (Speedster, Milly, Alcachaz, Blue, Bobsican, Axl, Guy, Sora, Ashen, Hst)

Mundus: 6 (Dante, Knight, Tony, Mister, Kira, Dark)

Incon: 0
 
>Does not resist bfr and diseases ...

How long does your EA restore? And how good is your resistance to mind hax?
 
IIRC the Disease Manip might be passive but the BFR isn't from what I've heard. Could you clarify the status of both of them?

Also, what do you mean by "your EA"?
 
Oliver de jesus said:
>Does not resist bfr and diseases ...

How long does your EA restore? And how good is your resistance to mind hax?
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Xehanort already has dimensional travel and low multiversal range, they just weren't applied to his profile yet. Mundus' Disease Manip doesn't work on Non Corporeals from what I've been told, and Xehanort as that while as a heart. Explain what you mean by EA restore. His Mind Manip resistance is on a conceptual scale as he can resist the corruption of darkness and RoD, which attack the heart. The heart contains the emotions of one's being as well, and darkness has shown to entirely corrupt emotions too.

Fodder enemies in KH have NEP, and Xehanort can interact/erase them with his attacks, so Mundus' NEP doesn't help with him. Oneshot gets countered by conceptual regen. Xehanort leads with universal scale Conceptual Manip, and I don't see Mundus having an answer for passive Info Absorption which creates a duplicate of the enemy, all with the same hax, skills, AP, etc. Xehanort takes this.
 
Voting Xehanort.

Each hit from the Keyblade is negging his immortality and regen on a conceptual scale, along with a massive variety of spells Mundus cannot resist. Mundus also has no solid way of putting down Xehanort, and even if he could, he could just restart the fight from the very beginning. Not to mention that Xehanort can also bring out hordes of Heartless at his disposal, all that have Death Manipulation and EE that are borderline passive, and Mundas not having a way to put them down either.

All and all, I think this is a stomp. Xehanort has too much hax, too many summons, and versatilty for Mundus to handle.
 
I'd like to hear what the DMC Experts have to say before we determine that. If this is the case, Xehanort would also take their spot as 5th Strongest 3-A.
 
I mean abstract existence type 2.

hax iirc disease worked in shadow in the other universe with every step the casitol took in Asia.

If I were not so vague void mundus / argosax I had conceptual since they control / embody the energy that created the entire universe.
 
The AE isnt combat applicable, and Xehanort's Non Corporeal exists purely as a concept, so you'll need to show that the Disease Manip can affect conceptual things.
 
>Each hit from the Keyblade is negging his immortality and regen on a conceptual scale

I thought this was not accepted?
 
The thing that wasnt accepted was characters getting Conceptual Manipulation for killing Heartless, it was accepted as NPI.
 
TheSpeedster96 said:
The AE isnt combat applicable, and Xehanort's Non Corporeal exists purely as a concept, so you'll need to show that the Disease Manip can affect conceptual things.
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Xehanort needs another "host" to be able to do anything as a heart however, so the body itself he currently has would indeed be something that can be affected bu Disease Manip.
 
TheSpeedster96 said:
No he doesn't. Xehanort can release his heart to become a heart to fight if he wants.
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When has he fought anything while being just a heart? Unless you mean... oh

If that's the case, then yeah.
 
Instant. Vanitas regened in the Keyblade Graveyard right after his heart was destroyed, and Xehanort got it via merging with his vessels, which included Vanitas.
 
Oliver de jesus said:
If I were not so vague void mundus / argosax I had conceptual since they control / embody the energy that created the entire universe. </div>


<s>Now that I think about it, the mundus base shouldn't have conceptual resistance since I fight Sparda? same that is known to eliminate names (as arkham explains it and through some ancient writings to highlight a random demon knew that) why fight, if you can simply say: "mundus because it does not turn you into anything" and so do it with argosax? and death hax doesn't work on beings with NEP if it doesn't have feats.

Mid Godly is based on concepts or your soul?
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Mundus doesn't have that listed on his profile and you don't get resistance to something just because you can fight someone, not unless the dude used that ability and it didn't work.

Heartless abilities work on conceptual aspects of your being. Conceptual hax > Type 1 NEP just to clarify.

It's scaled from Vanitas who could regenerate from conceptual destruction. The page notes that he regenerated even though his heart had been destroyed, which means his soul, mind, and body would be destroyed and he could still Regen.
 
>It's scaled from Vanitas who could regenerate from his thoughts and feelings. The page notes that he regenerated even though his heart had been destroyed, which means his soul, mind, and body would be destroyed and he could still Regen.

That's Low-Godly tho:

"Low-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of your body, instead restoring it from your disembodied consciousness, whether that be your soul, mind, some other nonphysical aspect of yourself, esoteric or metaphysical energy, or something else."

While Mid-Godly is being completly erased with nothing of you existing yet coming back
 
Take note I mentioned his heart being destroyed. You could conceptually destroy the idea of Vanitas and he was still able to regenerate back from it. Xehanort got his abilities after he merged with all of his vessels in Scala Ad Caelum, meaning he would scale to this Regenerationn. I should've clarified that earlier.
 
Xehanort's Regenerationn is more potent than both of those options, but it doesn't qualify for anything except Mid-Godly atm. It would be High-Godly though if those revisions go through about Conceptual Erasure Regen.
 
Axl233 said:
Im thought his mid-godly scaled from Ansem.
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Me too, scaling regen too may be an stretch TBH, as he didn't use that when fighting Sora, even after being defeated.

Unless now you want to argue that Sora has High-Godly Regen Negation
 
No, it's scaled to Vanitas' by virtue it's the more potent of the two and that Vanitas was still one of the vessels of Xehanort.
 
Tony di bugalu said:
>Each hit from the Keyblade is negging his immortality and regen on a conceptual scale

I thought this was not accepted?
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It wasn't...

What happened. Did Bob keep on pushing when I wasn't around?
 
He never would've had a place to have to use it against Sora. He was physically stronger and even by the end of the fight, he wasn't even bruised, just worn out from their battle. We agreed in the past CRT to apply the natural abilities of True Organization members to Xehanort. He self-imposed his own defeat as well.
 
They already got Conceptual Manipulation from a different CRT regardless and Antvasima agreed they were all good to add. Xehanort kept the Conceptual Manipulation, but everyone else lost it because it didn't apply to every strike. That's what we agreed on.
 
I mean, it's also the same series where light or darkness replaces bleeding, Disney would never allow something to get detailed on that, even if that was the case he could just have casted Curaga.

Anyways, outside of that, in that case, then I guess it could be used then.
 
>Mid Godly is regenerating after your body, mind and soul are destroyed

>It's scaled from Vanitas who could regenerate from his thoughts and feelings.

Uhhh, you see the problem there?
 
"Take note I mentioned his heart being destroyed. You could conceptually destroy the idea of Vanitas and he was still able to regenerate back from it. Xehanort got his abilities after he merged with all of his vessels in Scala Ad Caelum, meaning he would scale to this Regenerationn. I should've clarified that earlier."
 
Uh that doesn't debunk anything. It literally just says that his thoughts and feelings were around like the Lingering Will, it doesn't remotely mentioned he regened from them. Both BBS and KH3 literally state that he ceased to exist when his heart was destroyed, his very concept destroyed.
 
The thing is, did he get conceptually destroyed? Or "he could be conceptually destroyed"?

One is an assumption, the other one is a feat that can be used.

Also, again, the profile says his thoughts and feelings were still there which means not all of his mind or soul or whatever of him was left, i.e. he didn't got erased conceptually or erased as far as I can tell.
 
When I said "could be conceptually destroyed," I was referring to the fact that one could do it in a similar manner of what already happened to Vanitas. It was a feat that happened after Vanitas lost in his struggle against Aqua, Mickey, and Ventus. That was based off the old variation of the profile that assumed hearts were just souls which got negged as an idea in KHIII. That probably needs to be removed and Speedster already explained the specificity behind that.
 
>There is no "could", Vanitas outright states his heart was apart of the X-Blade

Blame the profile, not me.
 
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