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I don't want to be that guy, but I feel this is neccessary for accuracy.

Busting the Sokovian capital feat and tanking the Neutron stars feat are important for scaling the MCU, but I believe that they have been unreasonably exaggerated.

1- Busting Sokovia
From what I've seen, Thor is credited for one-shotting the Sokovia capital with his attack, and people can't be blamed for getting that impression, but when you look closely at the context of the feat and movie it is not so straight forward. In short, Ultron used Hydra-developed Chitauri anti-gravity engines to lift the city with the intention of dropping it as a meteor, and the whole thing is held together by a vibranium spire.

Iron Man proposes that Thor hits the vibranium spire to spread his force throughout the city, but F.R.I.D.A.Y. states that this will only cause the city to crack:

Tony: Spire is vibranium. If I get Thor to hit it...
F.R.I.D.A.Y: It will crack. That's not enough. The impact would still be devastating.
Tony: Maybe if we can cap the other end. Keep the atomic action doubling back.
F.R.I.D.A.Y: That could vaporize the city. And everyone on it.

Cracking the city should be Base Thor's real AP (a quick calc with fragmentation puts him at low 7-B). So Iron Man plans to cap one end of the spire to "keep the atomic action doubling back" and create a "heat seal". Iron man ends up using the 3% power left in his suit to heat up the vibranium spire from below for a while, and then orders Thor to strike from above to create a loop magnifying Thor's AP many times over as it reverberates within the vibranium, which resulted in the devastating destruction of Novi Grad.

It is possible for Base Thor to have higher tiers of weather manipulation, but this kinda puts a limit on his striking/thunder AP; so a downgrade from 7A+ to Low 7B. Maybe trying to scale Thor surviving the aftermath can yield something higher?

2- Tanking a neutron star
Thor reignited a dying Neutron star in order to allow the forge to melt down the Uru ingots.

The average temperature of the core of neutron stars is used for IW's dying neutron star (They start with a billion Kelvin, and then have a rapid cool down phase down to a million Kelvin after a few years). The thing is that the temperature of the core of the sun is more than 15 times of that (and the sun's luminosity is a million times more than a neutron star), and nukes can cause a temperature over a hundred times of that. If we go with realistic values, if Awakened Thor was all but burned to death from the neutron star, he'll probably be burned to ash by your run-of-the-mill nuke, which is not reflected by his durability tier.

Tanking the core of the sun has been calculated to be at Tier 8 (and Thor got charred to near death by the inferior neutron star). Of course, more often than not fiction is very... flexible when it comes to heat durability and damage, so it would be more of a feat for stars in the MCU than it is a feat for Thor, and practically we can only scale the neutron star's AP based on how hyped up it is. The relation between heat and AP has been discussed here. If we use the method used to calculate the Nidavellir feat at Low 6-B, shouldn't we be able to calculate the feat of tanking the sun's solar rays at close range as a Tier 5 durability feat for consistency?
 
I am aware and previously went through its steps of the calculation, but according to that method tanking our sun's heat energy should be at Tier 5.

It has been established for a longer time with more conventional methods that tanking the sun is tier 8 at best, and the neutron star feat would be inferior. So it seems this is a case of rule of cool, where a Tier 7 should be able to tank the neutron star with little difficulty.
 
facepalm. I never claimed MCU should be Tier 8, only that this particular feat is Tier 8 (otherwise, tanking the sun is Tier 5). If you actually read the post, you'll know that I made an argument that Base Thor is at Tier Low 7B, and Awakened Thor would obviously be higher.
 
Interesting. I'll await more input for that.

I was unable to find the script, can you link to it please? If it is from the same movie, it would seem this got retconned as the dialogue in the movie establishes that Thor can only crack the city on his own, leaving devastating large fragments.

Also, found something else to powerscale Base Thor to; in Civil War, General Ross compares both Thor and Hulk to 30 Megaton nukes, which is 7-B, further justifying the downgrade from Mountain level+.
 
In the movie, Iron Man specifically mentions the fact that the Vibranium core has a magnetic field surrounding it. He also notes that Thor could destroy the land mass, but that they would need him to fully vaporise it to prevent a massive death toll. Tony then comes up with the solution to create a heat seal at the bottom of the Vibranium core, thus disrupting the magnetic field and allowing the energy from Thor's attack to make contact with the core. As noted earlier, Vibranium has the capacity to absorb vibrations, not amplify energy. However, as I noted earlier, a good explanation is that once Vibranium reaches its capacity for vibration absorption, any incoming energy is bounced away (similar to how photoelectrons work). This makes sense in context of the feat, as Iron Man removes the heat seal, enabling Thor's attack to spread down into the core and rebound of it, all the way down its length, ensuring the power from his attack is dispersed throughout the landmass. This is supported by the feat in the forest from the first Avengers film. So, I feel it was all Thor's power, just redistributed to maximise the level of destruction.Things to note:

The Vibranium core is intact after the destruction of the landmass The city flew due to repurposed antigravity technology taken from the Chitauri Leviathans (as indicated in the Age of Ultron: Art of the Moviebook.)
 
If we go by the theory that one of their objectives is distrupting the magnetic field, then it would make the feat less impressive, since F.R.I.D.A.Y mentions that the magnetic field is "what is keeping the rock together". Also, Thor is directly hitting the core/spire (from above); his energy is already making contract with the core by hitting it. It isn't like there is a magnetic forcefield surrounding the spire.

When Iron Man mention that Thor can crack the city, he said that he can crack the city BY hitting the vibranium core/spire; so the vibranium already helps enhance Thor's attack without needing to create a heat seal (i.e. by redistributing his power). The scale of the destruction Thor can do has been specified in the move, which is cracking/fragmentation; lower than the final result. Oh, and by

I don't think there is a "Unified Theory of MCU Vibranium" that doesn't have counterexamples; the material works based on what the plot demands. Your explanation depends on a lot of speculation, but Iron Man explictly explains the purpose of creating the heat seal: "Keep the atomic action doubling back", in other words for Thor's energy to keep bouncing inside the vibranium multiple times. Feat from the forest doesn't come close; has been used as evidence that Thor is 8A.
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
2- Tanking a neutron star

Thor reignited a dying Neutron star in order to allow the forge to melt down the Uru ingots.

The average temperature of the core of neutron stars is used for IW's dying neutron star (They start with a billion Kelvin, and then have a rapid cool down phase down to a million Kelvin after a few years). The thing is that the temperature of the core of the sun is more than 15 times of that (and the sun's luminosity is a million times more than a neutron star), and nukes can cause a temperature over a hundred times of that. If we go with realistic values, if Awakened Thor was all but burned to death from the neutron star, he'll probably be burned to ash by your run-of-the-mill nuke, which is not reflected by his durability tier.

Tanking the core of the sun has been calculated to be at Tier 8 (and Thor got charred to near death by the inferior neutron star). Of course, more often than not fiction is very... flexible when it comes to heat durability and damage, so it would be more of a feat for stars in the MCU than it is a feat for Thor, and practically we can only scale the neutron star's AP based on how hyped up it is. The relation between heat and AP has been discussed here. If we use the method used to calculate the Nidavellir feat at Low 6-B, shouldn't we be able to calculate the feat of tanking the sun's solar rays at close range as a Tier 5 durability feat for consistency?


About the neutron star, I think that somethings are bad calculed or ignored about this feat.

People sometimes forgets the gravity of the neutron star or even the strength that Thor needed to move the structure around he dyson sphere.

There are other factor, we could meansure the neutron star beam using the laser formula and reach a high dura for Thor.

I would agree if the calculations considers others factors like the strength feats performed by Thor earlier or the gravity of star and even other formulas.
 
Since the Neutron star has been mostly resolved, let's focus on sokovia.

Like I said before, you need a calc posted on this wiki and accepted for your downgrade to be put in place. Before you can show the calc they will always stay at 7-A+
 
That is not true at all. You can absolutely rip a calc to shreds, especially if it's context that is wrong and not numbers, without making another calc.

What kind of logic is that, anyways? If the new calc isn't made then they simply have nothing to scale to, they will still not stay a wrong tier.
 
Luck100 said:
About the neutron star, I think that somethings are bad calculed or ignored about this feat.

People sometimes forgets the gravity of the neutron star or even the strength that Thor needed to move the structure around he dyson sphere.

There are other factor, we could meansure the neutron star beam using the laser formula and reach a high dura for Thor.

I would agree if the calculations considers others factors like the strength feats performed by Thor earlier or the gravity of star and even other formulas.
Awakened Thor currently has class T lifting strength. Also, the whole star is covered by a metallic shell with vents that can be opened, so anti-gravity technology is not out of the question.

Didn't see the laser formula get used this way, but be my guest. If you scale the energy produced by the star to Chris Hemsworth's tiny surface area, we'll barely be getting Tier 8 even with a ten minute timeframe.

Lifting Strength doesn't get scaled to Striking Strength or Durability per wiki policy.

I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
Since the Neutron star has been mostly resolved, let's focus on sokovia.

Like I said before, you need a calc posted on this wiki and accepted for your downgrade to be put in place. Before you can show the calc they will always stay at 7-A+
Not entirely. If we accept the calc this means that the calculation policy for stars (and possibly radiation energy overall) is out of date, and this is a good place to discuss and learn about the new policy.

As Ricsi-viragosi mentioned, we are allowed to criticize a calc in a content revision thread without having to make a new calc.

The calc is trivial, but if you insist:

Fragmentation: Volume of Novi Grad x Fragmentation value = (2/3*pi*1953.768^3*2800) * 8 = 3.4988523e+14 [7-C Town Level]

Violent Fragmentation:
Volume of Novi Grad x Violent Fragmentation value = (2/3*pi*1953.768^3*2800) * 64 = 2.7990818e+15 [High 7-C Large Town Level]

Actually lower than I originally thought.
 
if you talking about the diameter of the city itself, then there is something wrong with the calc, thor destroyed the whole rock of novi grad, not just the main city

Another thing is how you are just doing fragmenting the city and not including the KE Part due to how the whole city fell
 
The calc assumes that whole rock is a hemisphere (half a circle) for simplicity, and we can get the volume of a hemisphere with the radius from equation: 2/3* ¤Ç*R^3. Now you mention it, there is something wrong with the calc since it used the diameter instead of radius. So the actual results should be:

Fragmentation: 4.3735654e+13 [7-C Town Level]

Violent Fragmentation: 3.4988523e+14 [7-C Town Level]

Please read the post to learn why it is fragmentation.
 
>The city is falling down

>Thor is hitting down

>Both are falling at the same speed

>Thor needs to overcome the KE he does not interact with because ..... reasons?

Logic disagrees with your stance.
 
He neutralized sokovia. If he destroyed Sokovia when it was falling at the same speed, it's impact would have been far worse.

He also forgot to add the KE of the debris of the result of Thor's mjolnir explosion
 
No. If Thor was countering Sokovia from the other directoon you would have an argument but the conditions of his feat is the same as if he busted a similar sized rock that was sitting on the ground.
 
The vibranium don't amplify the damage only reflects the damage like captain's shield. Stark overheat the core to Thor destroy the island without the core re attract all together like a meteor.
 
Luck100 said:
The vibranium don't amplify the damage only reflects the damage like captain's shield. Stark overheat the core to Thor destroy the island without the core re attract all together like a meteor.
No, it was up and stated, quotes given above. The vibranium kept making Thor's attacks bouncing over and over to amplify the damage.

Regardless, it is up and stated that alone he can only fragment the thing, and only enough to make chunks big enough to make meteors still.
 
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