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Possible MCU Downgrades
- Thread starter ShadowWhoWalks
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The neutron star feat's results would vary wildly depending on the temperature used. We've used 1000000 Kelvin for nearly all of our calcs.
If the average temperature of a neutron star is used.
(5.67e-8*600000^4)*(4*pi*177.6765^2)/7.1631454094501*1.14*3.6477=1.6923029e+21 joules or 404.46 gigatons (Large Island Level)
But, the temperature of neutron stars are not particularily consistent, and can range from a few Kelvin to billions. Also we've assumed that the beam is channeling the literal full power of the star, which I feel is an erroneous assumption, as the rest of the star remains bright even when the beam is fired. Eitri's statement of "the full force of a star" is likely exaggerated.
If the average temperature of a neutron star is used.
(5.67e-8*600000^4)*(4*pi*177.6765^2)/7.1631454094501*1.14*3.6477=1.6923029e+21 joules or 404.46 gigatons (Large Island Level)
But, the temperature of neutron stars are not particularily consistent, and can range from a few Kelvin to billions. Also we've assumed that the beam is channeling the literal full power of the star, which I feel is an erroneous assumption, as the rest of the star remains bright even when the beam is fired. Eitri's statement of "the full force of a star" is likely exaggerated.
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Which is why we went for the Low 6-BDino W said:
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You just ignored every reason why the calc is flawed after that... you quoted it, but you still ignored it.
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Thanks.
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If we use Comic Books vs The World's method of calcing the neutron star feat, which simply takes the power output of the star per square meter.
(5.67e-8*600000^4)*1.14*3.6477=3.0557092e+16 joules or 7.303145 megatons (City Level)
This method however still requires the assumption of temperature, and is otherwise a low-end, as we do not know how much of the neutrons star's power is concentrated in the beam. Unless there is a way to determine either of these, I'm not sure if the neutron star calc can be used.
(5.67e-8*600000^4)*1.14*3.6477=3.0557092e+16 joules or 7.303145 megatons (City Level)
This method however still requires the assumption of temperature, and is otherwise a low-end, as we do not know how much of the neutrons star's power is concentrated in the beam. Unless there is a way to determine either of these, I'm not sure if the neutron star calc can be used.
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We don't do that at all. Some profiles might get through the cracks, but explosions and other types of energy spread is a pretty big factor in not using a lot of feats for characters.Luck100 said:
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For whatever reason, Nidavellir's gravity seems fairly minimal, which is strange for a neutron star. In fact, Nidavellir does not behave like a neutron star at all. It is not nearly bright enough for one, it can be reignited which is not a feature of neutron stars, it exerts minimal gravity, and the effects of what should be an extremely powerful magnetic field are unseen.
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Surprise, MCU takes liberties with it's feats.
But yes, the feat should be pretty much unusable. There is no way Nidavellir is an "average" neutron star, so using that for calcs wouldn't work anyways.
But yes, the feat should be pretty much unusable. There is no way Nidavellir is an "average" neutron star, so using that for calcs wouldn't work anyways.
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Not really sure if a magnetar eruption can be considered a reignition. They occur when the crust shifts and ruptures, rapidly releasing energy, which seems very unlike what is happening on Nidavellier. XTE J1810―197 reawakening does not seem to relate to its temperature, but rather its radio wave emissions and magnetic field.
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Most of this can be waved away with bad science. Nidavellir is called a neutron star in the film by people who probably know what they are talking aboutDino W said:
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10^6 Kelvin is the temperature of neutron stars. Or is there a reason why that value is unusable?
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Neutron stars have extremely varied temperatures. New neutron stars can reach billions of kelvin, whereas older ones can be just a few degrees Kelvin. 1000000 Kelvin is reached just a few thousand years after the neutron star is formed, whereas 600000 Kelvin is the average temperature of a neutron star. However you would likely be hard pressed to find a neutron star at either of those temperatures. If we were to assume a temperature, 600000 Kelvin would probably be the best, although still tenuous. We would still have to tackle the issue, however, of the amount of Nidavellir's energy that is concentrated in the beam.
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Nidavelir gotta be at least 1500 years old, since Thor's hammer was made there.
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Mjolnir was owned by Hela before Thor. In the MCU guidebook, it was stated that there was a 5000 year gap between the imprisonment of Hela, and the birth of Thor.
The statement can be found on one of the later pages (30 somethingish if I remember correctly) here, along with an Iron Man arc reactor 10 gigajoule statement.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/marvel-cinematic-universe-feat-thread.338412/
This makes Nidavellir at least 6500 years old.
The statement can be found on one of the later pages (30 somethingish if I remember correctly) here, along with an Iron Man arc reactor 10 gigajoule statement.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/marvel-cinematic-universe-feat-thread.338412/
This makes Nidavellir at least 6500 years old.
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You still haven't calced the KE of the debris after the explosion
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The mechanism didn't suck up the star's energy and shoot it into a laser like the Starkiller Base. Thor basically opened up a window that allows for direct exposure to the star's heat and radiation. This is what is meant by "full force of a star". The only reason he did this is to allow enough heat to melt the ore Stormbreaker is made from.
As mentioned, by how we usually evaluate heat radiation AP into the surface area of a person, even if the star is as hot as our sun (two dozen times hotter than the average neutron star) it would be Tier 8 AP. The supposedly new standard for stars/heat AP is not detailed yet.
Nidavelir is definetly not the typical neutron star, considering its diameter is less than 700 m. It is also several thousand years old which makes it unlikely to be particularly hot.
As mentioned, by how we usually evaluate heat radiation AP into the surface area of a person, even if the star is as hot as our sun (two dozen times hotter than the average neutron star) it would be Tier 8 AP. The supposedly new standard for stars/heat AP is not detailed yet.
Nidavelir is definetly not the typical neutron star, considering its diameter is less than 700 m. It is also several thousand years old which makes it unlikely to be particularly hot.
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From what I understand, this thread's arguments are about the science of a neutron star vs the statements surrounding Thor's feat? I'm inclined to agree with Azoth, this seems like a case of writers not knowing science.
It's worth mentioning that there was a discussion about how we treat heat resistance feats in fiction, which would make it so tanking a certain amount of heat isn't attributed to durability but a resistance, and vice versa.
It's worth mentioning that there was a discussion about how we treat heat resistance feats in fiction, which would make it so tanking a certain amount of heat isn't attributed to durability but a resistance, and vice versa.
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You still haven't calced the KE of the debris
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Yes he does, it shows how much energy thor put in into destroying sokovia
The faster it is, the more energy it took to reach that
The faster it is, the more energy it took to reach that
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The OP is treating the calc even after getting amped as fine and what the value is.
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The Ancient One reality warping a city, which I think would be 7-B. But that would only scale to her,kaicellius, and strangeDMUA said:
We also have Thor's lightning to be calced at 7-B+
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