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(Concluded) High 8-C Tournament: 20% Deku vs Toph

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Let's get into the details of this versus thread.

-Speed Equalized

-Both in Character

-Location: Open field

-Range: 4 meters

-Win via KO

Votes:

Deku: 7 (Insert creative name here 12, Kingofwolves999, Sora and buff riku, GoCommitDi, ElixirBlue, Epsilon R, Buttersamuri)

Toph: 3 (Ionliosite, Bob8999, DatBoiBrown)
 
Izuku can't fight at 20%, he can't even hold it for a minute, he's in constant pain, and it's OOC for him to even use 20% Full Cowl as he is now.

Right now he only uses 20% on his fingers so he can fire airblast.
 
Yeah, but if he hits Toph once without her using an earth shield, it's game over.
 
Deku is basically screwed because of his lack of control over this form. Voting Toph.
 
Over 9 tons. But as I said, Deku can one shot if Toph doesn't earth shield.
 
I'll say Deku takes this his air pressure gives him the ability to oneshot from a distance he also tends to jump a lot so he'll be in the air which will make it that much harder for Toph to detect him so I vote Deku mid difficulty
 
She isn't 9 tons, her profile doesn't have the + sign so she can't be 9 Tons. The characters don't fully scale to Combustion Man, they scale to half of him.

From the blog: Nice. Everyone who's fought Combustion Man could only partially block his explosions, so they only get Large Building level.

So they're 4.7

Izuku still can't fight at 20%, he'll drop it in less than a minute.
 
Oops, accident. Meant over 4 tons while I was thinking of something else.
 
Deku kind of one shots Toph with his air gauntlets, doesn't he? His air pressure is strong enough to hurt himself, and Toph has Wall Level Dura.
 
wouldnt she just block or dodge an air blast? i mean she fought, beat and trained aang, an airbender (arguably one of the best airbenders, atleast as far as we know.). and she deals with such tactics every day, as basically every bender worth their salt's stratagy is built around ranged attacks.
 
Aang obliterated Toph the first time they fought in the Earth Rumble Tournament because she can't sense air like she can earth, and I don't believe she has at any point in time beaten him when he uses his air bending. She would sense a vibration coming from Deku, not what he's doing that caused said vibration. Don't forget that she's blind.
 
i could have sworn she beat him.... whatever, she still deals with ranged attacks a lot and sba puts them at their strongest which for toph would probably be old toph who is vastly more expirienced, has dealt with aang's shenanigens for years + im certain she can sense airbending as she easily avoids korra's airbending attacks.
 
She dealt with Korra easily because she not only knew she could airbend, but could also sense the metal in her blood stream that was severely hampering her. She doesn't know Deku's moveset at all, so she would have no reason to assume him just flicking his finger at her means he can shoot air blasts. The most she can sense is his iron soles and likely his gloves, but that would just let her know his position at all times. People in Avatar make clear movements when they bend the elements. Deku flicks his finger or kicks forwards once. Unless Toph is explicitly expecting airbending the very first time Deku does it, she loses.

Also, let's say she does dodge or block the first bullet. Deku spams air blasts from every motion in 20%, and despite his stiff movements, is more mobile than anyone Toph has ever faced. He can likely break her Earth walls at 20% as well, so idk how she manages to deal with him just ping ponging around her earthbending and shooting blasts at her. He's dealt with a similar style of combat in Overhaul, so after he analyzes her ability, he can plan around and ouuthink Toph as well.

This is all assuming he doesn't flick his finger and KO right at the start of the match since she doesn't know he can shoot air pressure. They're 4 meters from each other, would be quite hard to dodge.

Also 8% Deku is High 8-C now, so if op wants, you can change him to just his current key.
 
I think Toph takes this. Granted, 20% of One For All is quite the power up, however, it cannot be used for long. So, all Toph would have to do is outlast Deku. To do that, she'd have to stay in her stone armor, and constantly throw giant rocks or make the field around them rumble like waves. Or, she could trap Deku in a stone prison, and shoot him down into the Earth's crust, then keep him down there. But, if Deku manages to hit her, it's probably over. She can win if she keeps him away.
 
She wins if Deku doesn't hit her with an air bullet at all, which he spams in character a lot, and that she can't sense. Toph doesn't start out putting on armor, she'd try to sense his movements to counter his attacks. Unluckily for her, Deku does one movement, a flick, and OHKOs. She would have to expect him to shoot air pressure to block him.

Also Deku can dodge her Earth bending quite easily, as even at 20% he can think rationally and plan while having the battlefield shifting around him, see his fight with Overhaul where he was dodging the entire room trying to kill him. I doubt she can catch Deku at all while he's bouncing around the battlefield with more mobility than she's ever had to deal with.

I agree Toph wins if she out lasts, but she has to survive long enough to do that. Deku one shots with any air blast or direct hit, and will be analyzing her earthbending ability the entire time, so I doubt she can last long without getting hit.
 
If it's an open field he can't bounce around the way he'd want to. The seismic sense is highly underestimated. I think she'd be able to just summon a barrier around herself and constantly reinforce it, in case he tried to attack it. Does he have gauntlets?
 
Toph would need to know Deku can one shot her to put on earth armor, she doesn't lead with it on.

Deku's opening move is that he jumps in the air and shoots blasts at Toph, who can't sense things in the air except metal I believe. She can sense his position, but she wouldn't, however, know that he's also shooting air bullets at her with his gloves, so she'd get hit and lose. By bouncing around I assumed Toph would lead with throwing up earth pillars and columns to hit or move Deku, which he not only has dealt with and dodged before, but can also use for his mobility by bouncing on.

Walls help Toph if she knows she can get one shot and how Deku's attacks work. Neither of them know anything though, so she'll likely start with trying to hit him, while he starts with air blasts. I'm not underestimating her seismic sense, it's been shown that she can't sense things in the air as well as she can on the ground, and Deku fights in the air most of the time, so she'd have to not only read his movements, but correctly judge, for the first and every single time afterwards, that he can one shot her with a flick of his fingers or kick of his legs in her general direction.

Yes he has gauntlets, it's Current Deku, but at 20%, all of his attacks produce wind blasts anyway, all of which one shot Toph. She can defend with earth walls, but she needs to not get one shot the first time and every other time afterwards to win.
 
Also, what is Toph's AP being assumed to be here? She doesn't scale to combustion man, he one shots her Earth walls and attacks easily. Her being superior to Aang only applies to his Earth Bending which is calced at building+ in volume 2, but that would only make her baseline. If she scales to Azula and Katara's feats, then she's at, probably a bit higher than, 3.67 tons, which isn't much of an AP diff from 8% Deku who is higher than 3.19 tons. So why can't actual current Deku be used?
 
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