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Preface
A few months ago a databook statement was accepted to use on the wiki which puts Killer B's and A's Lariat technique to be 51% of the speed of light.
Several calcs have been made using the databook statement as an assumption such as:
Current Issues with Speed Scaling
One of the main issues for me is that the statement does not appear to have any solid support from the original manga itself. There is no mention or implication of the Raikage or Killer B having feats of speed at Relativistic+ levels.
Yes, the Raikage are commonly known to be "super fast" guys going by Naruto's observation but the Lariat technique being 51% Lightspeed would make it around two hundred times faster than Kakashi's feat of just managing to intercept Kakauzu's attack which is assumed to be average lightning speed.
It is a huge gap of speed in the verse. Which is what leads me to think that it is an outlier; especially since it has been used to retroactively scale so many characters in the verse to Relativistic or Relativistic+ levels.
At least part of that databook entry is exaggerated anyway, since it claims that the opponent can't even activate a technique before getting hit, yet Sasuke was able to put Killer B under Genjutsu while Killer B was performing the Lariat.
Scaling without it
There is only one calc in the verse that comes close to the statement and it is Madara's reaction feat to the Ethereal Transmission jutsu which some people consider to be an ambiguous feat. Some people have pushed hard for this calc to be accepted in order to support the databook statement and make the databook statement appear like less of an outlier.
But aside from that Naruto Shippuden currently has half a few MHS+ calcs which could be used for scaling instead.
I think we should either dismiss the statement and examine what the speed scaling would be like with the Madara reaction feat alone, or get rid of both of them and rate the verse appropriately using the other calcs available.
Just because the statement exists in the databook does not mean we have to be forced to use it to rate the profiles, we take the databooks on case-by-case basis anyway.
Whether you agree with using the statement or not; there are a lot of issues with speed ratings as I pointed out above.
I anticipate this will be a controversial topic, so please keep it civil.
A few months ago a databook statement was accepted to use on the wiki which puts Killer B's and A's Lariat technique to be 51% of the speed of light.
Several calcs have been made using the databook statement as an assumption such as:
- Sasuke dodging Killer B: 0.40 c
- Kisame reacting to Killer B: 0.12 c
- Naruto reacting to A: 9.8 c
- Minato reacting to A: 25.96 c
Current Issues with Speed Scaling
- Currently base Naruto has no justification for his Massively Hypersonic+ speed rating.
- Kakashi is rated as Massively Hypersonic+ for a speed calc of his, but his justification also mentions him keeping up with Pai who is Relativistic for being comparable to Kisame.
- Kabuto is rated as Massively Hypersonic+ for keeping up with Tsunade, but Tsunade is Relativistic+.
- Deidara is rated as Relativistic for being faster than Hidan, but Hida is Massively Hypersonic+.
- Sasuke is rated as Massively Hypersonic+ for keeping up with Itachi but Itachi is Relativistic.
- Danzo is rated as Relativistic for keeping up with Sasuke but Sasuke is Relativistic+.
- Tente is Massively Hypersonic+ for fighting a clone of Kisame who is Relativistic.
- Sai Yamanaka is Massively Hypersonic+ for fighting Sasuke and Deidara who are all Relativistic.
- Hanzō is Massively Hypersonic+ for battling Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru who are all Relativistic+.
- Menma Uzumaki is Massively Hypersonic+ for keeping up with Naruto who is Relativistic.
One of the main issues for me is that the statement does not appear to have any solid support from the original manga itself. There is no mention or implication of the Raikage or Killer B having feats of speed at Relativistic+ levels.
Yes, the Raikage are commonly known to be "super fast" guys going by Naruto's observation but the Lariat technique being 51% Lightspeed would make it around two hundred times faster than Kakashi's feat of just managing to intercept Kakauzu's attack which is assumed to be average lightning speed.
It is a huge gap of speed in the verse. Which is what leads me to think that it is an outlier; especially since it has been used to retroactively scale so many characters in the verse to Relativistic or Relativistic+ levels.
At least part of that databook entry is exaggerated anyway, since it claims that the opponent can't even activate a technique before getting hit, yet Sasuke was able to put Killer B under Genjutsu while Killer B was performing the Lariat.
Scaling without it
There is only one calc in the verse that comes close to the statement and it is Madara's reaction feat to the Ethereal Transmission jutsu which some people consider to be an ambiguous feat. Some people have pushed hard for this calc to be accepted in order to support the databook statement and make the databook statement appear like less of an outlier.
But aside from that Naruto Shippuden currently has half a few MHS+ calcs which could be used for scaling instead.
I think we should either dismiss the statement and examine what the speed scaling would be like with the Madara reaction feat alone, or get rid of both of them and rate the verse appropriately using the other calcs available.
Just because the statement exists in the databook does not mean we have to be forced to use it to rate the profiles, we take the databooks on case-by-case basis anyway.
Whether you agree with using the statement or not; there are a lot of issues with speed ratings as I pointed out above.
I anticipate this will be a controversial topic, so please keep it civil.
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