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The time has come: Yogiri vs Touma REDUX

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No matter how many times I reach game over and no matter how many times I must pathetically hit continue, I will not stop moving forward.
 
How good is he at CQC? Touma isn't the best but he's extremely adaptable and resourceful so he might take the W unless he has some kung fu on him.

Fate manipulation may not work since IB cuts the 'red string of fate'. Though iirc that was just a joke I believe? I'd have to re-read for context.
 
1 he is has never used that sword

2 again why does he even have a sword in his profile in the first place as he doesn't even brings it with him

3 this is literally the same as before

btw im up to when he catch the idiot that was experimenting with how his ability works so just the start of volume 4 for ID
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Yes, he used that sword. And he knows how to use it
Its part of his standard equipment
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is it in the last chapter ?

cause i remember him saying that he brings it only if he has to go kill monster as a decoy to not get his ability found out
 
What Yogiri was fighting was a monster similar to a thin anthropoid. Its size was about that of a human being's, and it was just a monkey if it was only that, but four arms had grown on it.
Due to that, though continuing to evade was busy in itself, its movements were simple. Upon grasping the enemy's movements, Yogiri turned to counterattack.
He swung his sword along the death line. The enemy was on that spot without fail, and the counter result was decided.
Still, with Yogiri's ability, he couldn't bring it down in a single blow even if he had a strengthened sword. But still, the improvised swordsmanship he learned from Tomochika was showing its power as is.
He repeated such a thing many times over, and when the enemy was exhausted and stopped moving, he finished it off.

"It's a feeling of 'in itself', huh." (Haruto)

That, was the commentary of Ōtori Haruto. He had thought Yogiri could do it skillfully, but in itself seemed to be for certain.

"If he can move that much, including him in my formation probably won't be a problem." (Yazaki)


Volume 3 Chapter 15
 
I'm pretty sure Touma can react to his sword swings if he has no method of masking his muscle movements or freezing his expression like Rensa.
 
ok i read the 2 chapter i was behind (if we are at 4.8 with eng right ? )

again he uses it only that one time, and then he never brings it with him again (can touma get anything he uses once as an equipment ?)

nothing new, all my arguments on the previous thread still stands, he disarms him and should have the edge as his killing precog will not work and touma has much more experience in qcq, he just knocks him out and done
 
I'll count your vote, but dont forget that Yog can still mess with Touma's precog by killing his eyes constantly, so its not going to be that easy imo
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Also, Yogiri can still kill Touma's eyes and ears
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actually that is an unknown if it works, we had abilities that were targeted and still did not work, generally IB works by cases or works around

but even then touma just need to touch his head
 
Voting touma FRA. I don't really see what changes from last time except the guy has a sword now which may or may not accidentally chop off an arm and murder the guy.
 
Malox1696 said:
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Also, Yogiri can still kill Touma's eyes and ears
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actually that is an unknown if it works, we had abilities that were targeted and still did not work, generally IB works by cases or works around
but even then touma just need to touch his head
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It 100% works if he targets the senses
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
I'll count your vote, but dont forget that Yog can still mess with Touma's precog by killing his eyes constantly, so its not going to be that easy imo
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u are assuming with previous knowledge, he will not likely arrive to the conclusion that he has a special right arm that negates stuff in the first minute of the fight
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Malox1696 said:
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Also, Yogiri can still kill Touma's eyes and ears
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actually that is an unknown if it works, we had abilities that were targeted and still did not work, generally IB works by cases or works around
but even then touma just need to touch his head
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It 100% works if he targets the senses
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>Target Touma's senses

>He just keeps his right hand on his head and bum rushes you
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
It 100% works if he targets the senses
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i mean it's a n unknown if IB just passively negates that too without him needing to touch his head , again as explained in the other thread we had various cases

but even if we count that he can it's not really useful as touma just keeps his right hand to his head until close range or use anything to trow at him


in that thread i gave extensive simulation and example
 
btw im still on the opinion that using it 1 time cause he needed to hide his ability and then NEVER use it again is stupid to be added as equipment

if we did that anything anyone picks up and uses 1 time is instantly equipment
 
I mean, it was a sword that Tomochika gave to him iirc. And she constantly teaches him about swordplay nowadays. Not that he needs anyways tho because of his hax (in the series, that is)
 
I mean. That's kinda true. Otherwise we'd give Touma that Drill he had once when he was gonna drill Birdway, haha.

But anyways. I'm of the opinion that since Yogiri is just a normal human Touma will read those movements while keeping him from killing his senses with IB and deliver a good hook or two.
 
here all my arguments i made there:


considering he is allowed to use the environment no, he is capable to deal with him, he does not have master swordsmen tag, just trowing ricks at him might do it,or even wait him at corner, then he has much better raw stats and experience in cqc, btw u are making the fight with the assumption he does realize touma ability which seems really unlikely considering it would be the first time his power don't work


i vote touma cause his precog will work 100% (unlike yogiri), he has much more experience, can use the environment to his advantage , raw stats advantage, and for his opponent power to work on him it requires very specific work around that might not even work and would require understating how IB works + surprise factor


if we go by what is shown anything that targets touma that does not have a specific workaround or surpass his limits gets negated, but we prefer to simply go by case


and **** that thread it was full of fan/hype bois
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
I mean, it was a sword that Tomochika gave to him iirc. And she constantly teaches him about swordplay nowadays. Not that he needs anyways tho because of his hax (in the series, that is)
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wait wait, when ?

he is taking lesson to learn how to focalize his power, the sword is just an excuse, he literally says that

and i remember he did only like 1 lesson, as the next chapters he had to go kill the asshole that could create anything from OG world (the poor soul)
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Malox1696 said:
and **** that thread it was full of fan/hype bois
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Lol even though this series is underrated...
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there were people denying novel statement and arguing that IB is AN ACTIVE ABILITY, god that was dumb

btw why does the manga give more back story than the novel ?
 
I mean, if speed is equal, Yogiri can probably dodge all of Touma's attacks and strike along his death line.
 
Malox1696 said:
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Malox1696 said:
and **** that thread it was full of fan/hype bois
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Lol even though this series is underrated...
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btw why does the manga give more back story than the novel ?
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Thats because there were some things that went untranslated for God knows why the reason. There was also a backstory about a childhood friend of Yog that went untranslated too, but I hope they come up with that in the manga

A lot of images also went untraslated/not posted, but you can find all those in some japanese novel sites
 
YungManzi said:
I mean, if speed is equal, Yogiri can probably dodge all of Touma's attacks and strike along his death line.
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nope, he can't relay on his form of supernatural precog thanks to both IB and touma lacking killing intent


it's all on real combat exp, and touma beats him in that by a long shoot
 
This match has already been done before?

But yeah, if it comes down to a mere physical fight between the two, Touma. He has more combat experience and better stamnia, plus Yogiri's dura is only 10-A.
 
YungManzi said:
Touma lacking killing intent doesn't mean squat.
But, does IB also negate precog?

"Precog says no."

Then it depends on who has beter precog. Although Touma's sound more like Instinctive Reactions.
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Touma's precog isn't something he can ignore or defend against though. He undeniably has the better here since he cannot hide nor exceed Touma's kinetic vision.
 
Yogiri's precog is not limited to killing intent only, its any hazard in general

He can also try to kill the enviroment to make a building fall into Touma or something
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Yogiri's precog is not limited to killing intent only, its any hazard in general
He can also try to kill the enviroment to make a building fall into Touma or something
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That could definitely work, and since Yogiri is protected by fate he wouldn't get injured.
 
life threatening not just anything (he was caged by ice just fine), and if im not wrong random attacks with no killing intent did work to stop his precog partially

and touma still has IB sealing that supernatural part form attack coming from his right hand or anything touching it

yes i know, it was in my arguments but it's not his first move, and anything touma is touching with his right hand would not "die" that means if IB it touching the building it likely negates the effect

and again touma can pick up anything from the ground and use it has a weapon

btw im the one who brought the environmental damage in that tread so i did obv count it
 
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