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Direct Contact, but actually i meant I was refering to him not having NPI. so ye Direct Contact in part.
Good luck for the CRT.
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Touma vs Giorno (rematch)
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But I think @manu_zarri means that since GER starts with physical attacks on body with punches it cannot be technically be classified as non-physical AOE......and thus IB won't passively negate GER ......and his precog probably won't help with determining the axis of attack from GER since he seems to have resistance to that.....so I think GER takes this via higher AP .....
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I vote Touma for all the reasons I have given; the chances of Giorno not actually fighting with GER is extremely low.
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Giorno fighting without ger isn't my argument.
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I see. But even that most likely wouldn't work though tbh. And there's really no reason why his precognition shouldn't alert him and help him react, when he's reacted to much more undetectable and unavoidable things like Fiamma's Holy Right, and Othinus' torrent of attacks
What exactly could this be compared to?
Perhaps a super-long railgun that targeted someone on the planet’s surface after eternal acceleration using straight guiderails stretching from one end of the universe to the other.
Perhaps a singularity weapon that created destruction unexplainable with Newtonian physics by directly messing with the smallest particles dealing with mass and motion such as the bosons and the Higgs particle.
In all likelihood, expressing it with words was meaningless.
Even if one gathered everything that could be expressed with words, it was unlikely one could shoot down that crossbow.
It merely hit.
“…!!!???”
Kamijou Touma leaped to the side with all his strength.
…The first shot fell vertically from the heavens.
It held the destructive power needed to easily wipe out a planet or two, but it was beyond the point of creating anything like a crater. This was no different from a rifle bullet fired with the initial velocity of a sniper rifle piercing glass without breaking it. The arrow had been fired with such great speed that it pierced the pitch black ground without waiting for the impact to propagate.
Even so, Kamijou ran.
His distance to Othinus was close yet far. It felt like an infinite wall.
…The second shot seemed to skim the ground as it was fired behind him and diagonally to the left.
Kamijou crouched down and the arrow passed over his head and swept across the world. Its trajectory was angled downward slightly and it created a giant valley in that black-dyed world.
Othinus did not move from her spot.
She and Kamijou had to be the same. They were both pouring all their strength into defeating their opponent.
…The third and fourth shots burst up through the ground.
They stabbed up a few meters away on either side of Kamijou. It was a trap. If he rashly moved even a step to evade, he would be smashed to pieces.
The more unnecessary actions he took, the farther he would be from victory.
He sharpened his senses like a needle and pictured himself stretching forward and piercing Othinus with that needle.
…The fifth shot came from directly in front of him.
His movements to the left and right were already sealed off and now Othinus had thrown a straight pitch. For the first time, Kamijou swung his right hand. But not in a straight impact meant to destroy. He scooped his hand up from below, traced his hand along the surface of the arrow, and diverted its trajectory upwards.
He ran straight forward.
His fear and self-interest threatened to shake that simple action.
…The sixth and seventh shots scraped across Othinus’s shoulders.
The two arrows were fired from behind her and they collided in midair before reaching him. With a tremendous explosive noise, the two arrows’ trajectories changed complexly. The boy evaded one by ducking his upper body down and then jumped over the other with a great leap.
Devoting himself to evasion was meaningless.
His path threatened to waver, but he used the power of his will to desperately keep himself on course.
…The eighth shot overcame the restrictions of the third dimension.
Kamijou felt a static electricity-like spark on his spine and immediately swung his head to the side as hard as he could. An instant later, space suddenly split open and an arrow assaulted the world.
He focused on his trajectory.
The several meter path to Othinus appeared clearly in his head.
…The ninth shot ignored the concept of numbers.
The arrows that fell from above colored the night sky like fireworks and glittered like stars covering the heavens. Every single one of them was fatal, but Kamijou did not freeze up. No matter how torrentially they rained down, there was always a safe space left to step in.
He was going to reach her.
Perhaps a super-long railgun that targeted someone on the planet’s surface after eternal acceleration using straight guiderails stretching from one end of the universe to the other.
Perhaps a singularity weapon that created destruction unexplainable with Newtonian physics by directly messing with the smallest particles dealing with mass and motion such as the bosons and the Higgs particle.
In all likelihood, expressing it with words was meaningless.
Even if one gathered everything that could be expressed with words, it was unlikely one could shoot down that crossbow.
It merely hit.
“…!!!???”
Kamijou Touma leaped to the side with all his strength.
…The first shot fell vertically from the heavens.
It held the destructive power needed to easily wipe out a planet or two, but it was beyond the point of creating anything like a crater. This was no different from a rifle bullet fired with the initial velocity of a sniper rifle piercing glass without breaking it. The arrow had been fired with such great speed that it pierced the pitch black ground without waiting for the impact to propagate.
Even so, Kamijou ran.
His distance to Othinus was close yet far. It felt like an infinite wall.
…The second shot seemed to skim the ground as it was fired behind him and diagonally to the left.
Kamijou crouched down and the arrow passed over his head and swept across the world. Its trajectory was angled downward slightly and it created a giant valley in that black-dyed world.
Othinus did not move from her spot.
She and Kamijou had to be the same. They were both pouring all their strength into defeating their opponent.
…The third and fourth shots burst up through the ground.
They stabbed up a few meters away on either side of Kamijou. It was a trap. If he rashly moved even a step to evade, he would be smashed to pieces.
The more unnecessary actions he took, the farther he would be from victory.
He sharpened his senses like a needle and pictured himself stretching forward and piercing Othinus with that needle.
…The fifth shot came from directly in front of him.
His movements to the left and right were already sealed off and now Othinus had thrown a straight pitch. For the first time, Kamijou swung his right hand. But not in a straight impact meant to destroy. He scooped his hand up from below, traced his hand along the surface of the arrow, and diverted its trajectory upwards.
He ran straight forward.
His fear and self-interest threatened to shake that simple action.
…The sixth and seventh shots scraped across Othinus’s shoulders.
The two arrows were fired from behind her and they collided in midair before reaching him. With a tremendous explosive noise, the two arrows’ trajectories changed complexly. The boy evaded one by ducking his upper body down and then jumped over the other with a great leap.
Devoting himself to evasion was meaningless.
His path threatened to waver, but he used the power of his will to desperately keep himself on course.
…The eighth shot overcame the restrictions of the third dimension.
Kamijou felt a static electricity-like spark on his spine and immediately swung his head to the side as hard as he could. An instant later, space suddenly split open and an arrow assaulted the world.
He focused on his trajectory.
The several meter path to Othinus appeared clearly in his head.
…The ninth shot ignored the concept of numbers.
The arrows that fell from above colored the night sky like fireworks and glittered like stars covering the heavens. Every single one of them was fatal, but Kamijou did not freeze up. No matter how torrentially they rained down, there was always a safe space left to step in.
He was going to reach her.
What's more, all he has to do is to touch GER once, and the battle would pretty much be over.
Anyway, voting Touma FRA
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That is a fair point.
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Touma FRA
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the fact is that Precog didn't worked on ger. also he would see nothing, since he dosen't have EP in profile
He can't touch GER with current profiles hax
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@manu_zarri IB can defeat Coronzon without her avatar. Without her avatar, Coronzon herself had incorporeality as you can see here:
vsbattles.fandom.com
wanna more proof?
Coronzon
Lola Stuart is the Archbishop of the Church of England and the head of Necessarius, its magic division. As the head of Necessarius, Lola is a very cunning magician who manipulates events to keep the United Kingdom safe and on top of other factions. She has done as many good deeds as bad, and her...
vsbattles.fandom.com
wanna more proof?
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I think u can't tag someone using the ''@'' option, you need to quote his post@manu_zarri IB can defeat Coronzon without her avatar. Without her avatar, Coronzon herself had incorporeality as you can see here:
Coronzon
Lola Stuart is the Archbishop of the Church of England and the head of Necessarius, its magic division. As the head of Necessarius, Lola is a very cunning magician who manipulates events to keep the United Kingdom safe and on top of other factions. She has done as many good deeds as bad, and her...
wanna more proof?
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Ahh well, I just too lazy to quotes due to of wall of text.
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bruh, people don't need proof. you need make a CRT for being used. or it wouldn't be used.@manu_zarri IB can defeat Coronzon without her avatar. Without her avatar, Coronzon herself had incorporeality as you can see here:
Coronzon
Lola Stuart is the Archbishop of the Church of England and the head of Necessarius, its magic division. As the head of Necessarius, Lola is a very cunning magician who manipulates events to keep the United Kingdom safe and on top of other factions. She has done as many good deeds as bad, and her...
wanna more proof?
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also you need affect both intangible and incorporeality for intract with a stand
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Actually no, if people show proofs or something, it can be used, like Homura vs Arceus
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don't know where it was, but no. Kars especially losed against some characther for not having Multiversal+ range, when it basically have it.
so ye, make CRT and all are happy.
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I believe that toaru vsb mods made any Toaru CRT as simple as possible, because most toaru character only had one or two ability that too many application on it.
IB is one of them because it has lot of branches (like giving Touma immunity to mental attacks, NPI, etc) while base of IB ability is only power negation.
So, giving Touma NPI is no needed because IB power negation already covers that classification.
IB is one of them because it has lot of branches (like giving Touma immunity to mental attacks, NPI, etc) while base of IB ability is only power negation.
So, giving Touma NPI is no needed because IB power negation already covers that classification.
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Well, i dont know what happend with kars situation, but on Homura, her profile lacked informations about her true size, but someone showed proofs of her being in the same size as Goddoka, making Homura being able to defeat Arceus
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If that's true, then it's just bad writing of profile.
every profile should have every hax, like HA Dio profile have only RO and it have many and many application.
also, would be good make the CRT anyways because I think it should be written that he can touch with his left hand
btw, can he affect selective intangible?
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yeah but if your aware that touma has certain stuff and you use "make a CRT" as your defense against it then, while your following the rules, your basically applying a win that isn't legit.
I also never thought you were insulting, sorry if I came off in that way.
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it's not a defense, it's an actual help, i say make the CRT so you can use the argument.
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You do not have to make CRT for obvious stuff....if enough proof is provided then its usable......but yeah....a CRT will still need to be made for this match to be added since proof on the profile needs to be official.
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Touma will win due to the arguments above. This fight didn't need a rematch but whatever
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btw noobody still proved about intangible, i suppose
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Touma hax is not that much, but has so many application, period. Its like giving Touma mental attack resistance while he actually can be affected by mental attack with correct way.
Also, his CRT already covers NPI stuff
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but that makes it all very confusing. why not add them with specifice, it would be less confusing.
also the question about intangible..
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Power Null has NPI
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and a NPI that can intract with incocrporeal, dosen't mean could intract with Non-Existence.
so ye, i ask the again intangible thing.
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uhh stands are incorporeal yes, but they don't have NEP
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they have intangilbe. it was an example...
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PN covers NPI, which covers intangibility
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A NPI needs feats for intract with others types for now i saw he can intract with incorpreal, but can he intract with intangible tho?
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The power to interact with intangible or non-corporeal beings or objects. Users can both see and interact with intangible, or non-corporeal, abstract, and nonexistent objects or life-forms and entities, allowing them to make physical contact and possibly cause harm.
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Superior AP and Intel are his wincons. Idk with Manu
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because he is physically 9-C. and have some weakness
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