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yes, there isn't a note? i see.. the wiki maded everything more confusing
btw no, this does not apply to everyone, if you go great in a theard, you can see that jojo's characters can't interact with NEP and stuff. then no.
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Touma vs Giorno (rematch)
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btw no, this does not apply to everyone, if you go great in a theard, you can see that jojo's characters can't interact with NEP and stuff. then no.
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not really superior, GER here is physically superior. his wincons is his right hand
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Which is High 1-C to things like GER
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I said Physically, the High 1-C of Touma isn't physically, but from an AP hax.
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Yeah, but it might as well be to (supernatural) things like GER
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ye, and im still waiting for NPI (Intangible), now that people proved NPI (Incorporeal) they just need prove the other one. btw he still need use his hand.
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Where are you getting this idea that intangible and incorporeal are two completely different things? Literally, by definition, if I don't have a physical body (incorporeal), you can't touch me (intangible). So before you start asking for proof, it might help if you can explain what difference there is between the two.
Which I already proved that he can, in my earlier post
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that's not a idea, even the page says it "Being incorporeal is very different than Intangibility" that's why we have 2 differents page.
the fact he needs a hands is still a weakness
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The difference is in the sense that one is a true body (intangible), while the other not a true body (incorporeality), which is a meaningless difference in this battle. What we're debating is whether or not Imagine Breaker can interact with something that isn't physical, which both intangibility and incorporeality fall under, and have no difference whatsoever in that regard (hence why both are covered by NPI, as you can clearly see in the NPI page). The difference that you're trying to bring up is meaningless in this battle
How exactly?
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IB's limitation
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Which is...?
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Limited to the right hand. Apparently I shouldn't be debating about this.
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Intangibility is the ability to pass through things physically. Characters with this ability are simply unaffected by attacks, as they pass through their bodies. This can also allow them to pass through walls and other physical objects.
Incorporeal (or Non-Corporeal) beings are those who have no true physical form.
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And both are dealt with using NPI, because again, you're dealing with characters who are able to avoid physical interaction in both cases. There is literally no distinction in that regard.
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Are you suggesting that he won't be able to keep up with GER because IB is limited to only his right hand? Because I've already addressed that in post #165
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NPI specify that they can intract with Intangible, Incorporeal, Non-Existence and Abstract BUT only if you have feats for them.
in the case you don't know, a ghost can also be intangible but corporeal or incorporeal but not intangible
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Uhh no I was talking about IB's limitations that's all. I have nothing against since it's finished anyway
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that's a bit of NLF.
btw i have a good question now. does here being Incorporeal means also being Intangible?
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imagine breaker is H1C Ger is 4-D :/
For your second question, yes and no, being incorporeal means you have no physical form which is the same as intangibility so being intangible is an application of being incorporeal but the difference is that an incorporeal being's form is not its true body while an intangible beings form is its true form. Correct me if I'm wrong but, being incorporeal is really just an enhanced version of intangibility with some extra applications from what I understand.
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No i mean, it was a bit NLF as you said it
I guess, but i saw some characthers not having intangibility even if they are incorporeal. im not even sure if intangibility is more an ability that a state of being, but ye, whatever, we can guess his feats can also intract with intangible, and with this, if im not wrong, he can see them too. right? so here is basically who hit first. isn't in that case incon option used?
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An Incorporeal is generally an Intangible or Abstract Existence that has no true form, and any shape it takes is just a temporary one it uses to interact with others. A shapeshifter with no true shape besides something like a mass of energy, a shapeless soul, or an abstract concept.
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ah thx for the explanation
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though Touma is only 9-C physically, so he can still punch and one shot
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pretty sure it was already established that by nulling GER giorno would also die
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wasn't it already established that IB doesn't need physical contact ?
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it doesn't need contact for things that effect touma's whole body like RTZ but for stuff like a punch from ger, he needs to touch it
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since speed is equal this will happen
ger punches at touma, touma reacts by touching with right hand, GG
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Makes sense
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Btw speed shouldn't be unequalized, since this looks like a stomp
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Touma would still have a wincon tho..
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Which is ger punching his right hand first for some reason? only one I can think of
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yes, pretty much. but that's would be really rare.
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guess it is a wincon lol, extremely unlikely but still possible
