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5-B for Landorus, Tornadus and Thundurus

https://********.org/chapter/700126/19

Necrozma base should not be 4-B? It absorbs the light that illuminated the entire Ultraspace by recovering part of its power and with this part of its power plus the stolen light of Solgaleo and Lunala faced Lusamine (Mother Beast)

https://********.org/chapter/568749/17

https://********.org/chapter/598982/15

Obviously Solgaleo, Lunala, Zygarde, Tapus and Silvally would escalate from this by being the first two far superior to the UltraBeasts, Zygarde is facing Necrozma, The Tapus are fighting against the UltraBeasts Silvally was created to combat UltraBeast

https://********.org/chapter/488994/9

https://********.org/chapter/700076/23

https://********.org/chapter/700076/16
 
The real cal howard said:
Necrozma base should not be 4-B?
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So like, what changed between now and Azzy making a thread for this
 
As far as Base Necro, Solgaleo and Lunala go, I wholeheartedly agree. They should have been brought back to 4-B when Ultra Necro became 4-B again. Solgaleo and Lunala's power are what Necrozma explicitly needs to become it's 4-B form again, which was the very reason these guys and the other Gen 7 legendaries were previously 4-B in the first place. There is no reason for 4-B to restricted only to Necrozma's original form. If he is 4-B, then so are the rest.

However, I think we should wait a bit longer on upgrading Landorus, Thunderus and Tornadus.
 
Still, I think we should wait until the next BW chapter comes out so that we're absolutely sure they scale. All we know so far is that they're definitely going to fight.
 
Actually, the feat may be higher than I thought, Necrozma's lighting feat. Because it says he could light it up so much that it reached the other side of Ultra Space, and it wouldn't say that if Necrozma wasn't on the opposite side. The 1 MegaFoe feat comes from if Necrozma went all lighting from the center. What if he did it from the "other side" though, aka the edge?
 
I'm fine with the Light Trio and Perfect Zygarde scaling to 4-B but I don't agree with the Tapus and the Ultra Beasts scaling to 4-B. The Light Trio are clearly massively more powerful than the Tapus and the Ultra Beasts as shown when Lunala one shot a whole horde of Ultra Beasts with one attack. So Mother Beast Lusamine fighting Necrozma is clearly just an outlier.

Also I think we should wait for the next chapter before scaling the Forces of Nature Therian Form to the Swords of Justice. Since they haven't really started fighting yet.

Also why isn't there a calc for the 4-B feat on Necrozma's Profile?
 
Stakataka is the only one who can hold Necrozma

https://********.org/chapter/672728/21

Lusamine was not the only one who fought against Necrozma several Naganadel helped in the fight

https://********.org/chapter/598982/14

It also shows how other Ultrabeasts supported her in combat even though they were defeated.

https://********.org/chapter/627035/20

It would not be outliers simply the Light Trio would be at a much higher level than the 4-B baseline

Which makes sense if we take into account that Necrozma's feat is somewhat superior to the baseline of 4-B

22 Foe = 4-B baseline

1 KiloFoe = 1000 Foe

Necrozma feat = 1 MegaFoe = 1000 KiloFoe
 
The Tapus definitely scale to the Light Trio since the lore explicitly says that Solgaleo/Lunala fought against them in a drawn out battle. And this isnt their only feats of contending with the light trio either.

Honestly, I think Lunala one shotting a horde of Ultra Beasts shouldn't take away anything from the UB's. It should just show how powerful Lunala is by using a full powered attack against the group of UB's.
 
Oh well if the Tapus have statements of scaling to the Light Trio in lore than I guess it's fine for the Ultra Beasts to scale as well since they are comparable. So wait is all four Tapu combined equal to Solgaleo and Lunala or are they only equal to one of them when working together?
 
Peter1129 said:
Oh well if the Tapus have statements of scaling to the Light Trio in lore than I guess it's fine for the Ultra Beasts to scale as well since they are comparable. So wait is all four Tapu combined equal to Solgaleo and Lunala or are they only equal to one of them when working together?
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The Tapu are comparable to Solgaleo and Lunala individually, not at once.
 
In another thread they mentioned that Xerneas and Yveltal would also escalate from this, in what way would they do it?
 
Okay so

Tapus, Ultra Beasts and Zeraora = 250 KiloFoe

Type: Null = Stronger than 250 KiloFoe

Silvally and Melmetal = One shots 250 KiloFoe but remains weaker than 1 MegaFoe

Solgaleo and Lunala = Weaker but is still comparable to 1 MegaFoe

Base Necrozma = 1 MegaFoe (Insert calc)

Dawn Wing/Dusk Mane Necrozma = 2 MegaFoe

Perfect Zygarde = 3 MegaFoe

Ultra Necrozma = Over 3 MegaFoe?
 
No the percentages aren't linear. So for now they don't scale unless they fight one of the Alola Legendary or Ultra Beast.
 
Peter1129 said:
No the percentages aren't linear. So for now they don't scale unless they fight one of the Alola Legendary or Ultra Beast.
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Just because the percentages aren't linear (which im pretty sure they are since we have been shown 2 50% Zygarde's before becoming 100% Perfect Zygarde) doesnt mean the lower forms wouldnt backscale from Perfect Z. Especially since Zygarde's other forms have compared to an Ultra Beast before (10% Zygarde and even the cells). But like already said, this discussion should wait until Perfect Zygarde actually becomes upgraded.

Btw, Zeraora and MelMetal need to be added to that list too. Zeraora has fought against Guzzlord and Ash's Meltan is evolving into MelMetal and is going to be used against Gladion in the Alola league. Which will very likely involve Sivally.
 
The real cal howard said:
Post scans?
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For 10% Zygarde I think Kukui is talking about the time when Zygarde chased away a bunch of Nihilego. Which I'm pretty sure isn't even usable since thy didn't fight at all. It just simply barked and chased them away.

https://********.org/chapter/504470/12

And for the cells I think he's talking about the time the cells fell on top of Stakataka. Which I have no idea how it means they are compared to an Ultra Beast since they only fell on top of it.

https://********.org/chapter/568749/2
 
Actually for the cells, its not that. For the cells, its them taking on a point-blank range attack from Lunala that was strong enough to harm Stakataka and coming out unharmed.

https://********.org/chapter/568749/4

However Peter is right about the former point. While its not a battle, it should still be usuable as a supporting feat. A group of Nihilego being scared of anything under their tier of capabilities is....kind of absurd.
 
Newest Sun and Moon episode came out. So Melmetal was able to keep up with and fight Silvally though he still lost in the end.
 
Z movements would be 4-B? https://********.org/chapter/700076/19 https://********.org/chapter/700076/20 The Kahunas and the captains used them to defeat the Ultrabeasts and as we know the power of the z movements comes from the light of Necrozma
 
I think more discussion will be needed but I wouldnt see why not. Z-moves originate from Necrozma's power and they have the feats to back it up by beating Ultra Beasts.
 
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