Pokemon Upgrade: Necrozma and High 3-A

[Arceus0x]

guess ill just remake the match a bit later to restore balance to the universe

 

[Arceus0x]

btw do we have any good match ideas?

 

[Garchomp777]

Aquaman vs Palkia

 

[Arceus0x]

Btw two large things

1.We need to change the current 4-B calc to the new 3-C calc in the pokemon verse page

2.We don't have a stakataka profile

 

[Garchomp777]

Time to make a stakataka profile then

Also, are all UBs At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A or likely high 3-A

 

[Arceus0x]

Where should we all discuss this?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Where should we all discuss this?

Lets take it to a new thread for that as this one is running its course and almost done with 5 pages

 

[Arceus0x]

Lets take it to a new thread for that as this one is running its course and almost done with 5 pages

lemme make it real quick. Also was my job good on the mew page? I decided not to touch the swords and the elemental buff dudes

 

[Garchomp777]

Looks fine.

 

[Arceus0x]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/stakataka-and-other-missing-pokemon-addition-discussion.114290/

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Okay so about Hoopa, why is his speed being scaled to Latias and Latios when we accept him scaling to the Tao Duo?

 

[Arceus0x]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Stakataka can someone manage the categories?

credit to garchomp777 for the profile

 

[CloverDragon03]

Okay so about Hoopa, why is his speed being scaled to Latias and Latios when we accept him scaling to the Tao Duo?

Apparently with the Pokemon Hoopa fought and kept up with, it says on his profile "some of them were outliers"

 

[Garchomp777]

By that logic hoopa should be mountain level+. If a pokemon mind haxes the embodiments of space and time, it wouldn't even be absurd to scale them to galaxy level, so i think zekrom scaling is fine

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Apparently with the Pokemon Hoopa fought and kept up with, it says on his profile "some of them were outliers"

Im pretty sure that was before I gave an argument against that. Anything that doesn't involve battling the creation trio shouldn't be an outlier for Hoopa anymore.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Then should it fully scale to "At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A" with the High 6-A removed, or no? And it would get the Massively FTL+ to Infinite speed, right?

Also, how does base Rayquaza's speed scale? It says Massively FTL+, but with no justification.

 

[Arceus0x]

dang i hope we can find some groudon and kyogre scaling, they feel awkward at 5-B

 

[Antvasima]

Okay thanks Ant. I will update the pages.

No problem. Just remember to update the tier categories at the bottoms of the pages as well.

 

[Antvasima]

By the way, does anyone know why Necrozma's range is only Planetary - Interplanetary?

Unless im missing something, his light covering all of Ultra Space by itself should give it Universal range at the bare minimum. If not Multiversal for reaching other worlds.

EDIT: I'll be leaving the range alone for now.

I do not know. Can any of its actual attacks reach that far, or can it only light things up to that distance?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I do not know. Can any of its actual attacks reach that far, or can it only light things up to that distance?

Ahhh. It's probably just the latter then.

Necrozma is able to open up Ultra Wormholes though. So would it be fine to give it Multiversal range with wormholes?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that we call that interdimensional:

Range

Range is a measurement that refers to how far that the attacks or abilities of a certain character, weapon, or otherwise, can efficiently reach on their/its own. For more information about different units of length, please see this page. However, a general guide for categorizing range has been...

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[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Okay. I’ll add that onto the page real quick.

And to Solgaleo and Lunala who can also do the same thing

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Since Base Mewtwo now has the "Possibly Infinite Speed" Rating, why doesn't Red (Origins) have that rating for his Mega Charizard X and Mewtwo on his Profile? He still just has the MFTL+ Rating.

Red (Pokémon Origins)

Red is a teenager from Pallet Town who was invited to Professor Oak's lab to receive a starter Pokemon and a Pokédex to record every Pokémon in Kanto. Over the course of his journey, he defeated the region's Gym Leaders, Elite Four and the Champion (who happened to be his rival Blue), while...

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[Psychomaster35]

Also, Im sorry if I had to bring this up now, but now that the upgrade has been applied, wouldnt this also affect Dark Matter as well? It was shown to have taken a hit from Yveltal, unless there is a discussion if we should compare Mystery Dungeon to their mainstream selves.

 

[Garchomp777]

Yvetal should get non physical interaction for doing that too, and dark matter should get resistance to death manipulation

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Since Base Mewtwo now has the "Possibly Infinite Speed" Rating, why doesn't Red (Origins) have that rating for his Mega Charizard X and Mewtwo on his Profile? He still just has the MFTL+ Rating.

Red (Pokémon Origins)

Red is a teenager from Pallet Town who was invited to Professor Oak's lab to receive a starter Pokemon and a Pokédex to record every Pokémon in Kanto. Over the course of his journey, he defeated the region's Gym Leaders, Elite Four and the Champion (who happened to be his rival Blue), while...

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Just in case it gets skipped over.

 

[Starter_Pack]

Yvetal should get non physical interaction for doing that too, and dark matter should get resistance to death manipulation

Shouldn't Yveltal have NPI anyway for, you know, being able to fight and harm Ghost type Pokémon? Particularly since it's a Dark type?

 

[Garchomp777]

Shouldn't Yveltal have NPI anyway for, you know, being able to fight and harm Ghost type Pokémon? Particularly since it's a Dark type?

It always had it, but it would be good to empasise that it can harm abstracts too

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I think we should leave Mystery Dungeon alone for the time being.

We still have that Pokémon canon thread Ex made with his blog to finish, Which may or may not make MD accepted as canon again. And if does, then we can give it these upgrades.

But for now let’s leave it separate from this.

 

[Garchomp777]

I agree

So all the changes have been updated, no?

Lysandre

Lysandre (Japanese: フラダリ Fuladari) is the leader of Team Flare and the main antagonist of Pokémon X and Y. Formerly the student of Professor Sycamore, he later went on to found Lysandre Labs and create the Holo Caster. At some point in the future, Lysandre was convinced of humanity's stupidity...

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Gladion

Gladion is a former member of the Aether Foundation and the son of Lusamine. He originally lived in harmony with his family in Aether Paradise until he noted his mother's obsession with the Ultra Beasts. Realizing the Ultra Beasts would bring ruin to Alola should they be released, Gladion left...

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Elio (Pokémon)

Elio serves as the main protagonist of Pokémon Sun and Moon. When he moves to the Alola Region from Kanto, he immediately begins the Island Challenge and travels across Alola along with his friends Hau and Lillie. Tier: 9-B | At least 8-A | High 7-C | At least 7-A | At least 3-C, likely High 3-A...

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Don't forget Red (Pokemon Origins) needs that Speed Upgrade as well.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

And we decided we’re taking Ash to a different thread to discuss his page right?

Because he will also need the upgrades.

 

[Antvasima]

So is there anything left to do here, or should I close this thread?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

So is there anything left to do here, or should I close this thread?

Ah right. My apologies.

Yeah we should be done. One or 2 of the pages that haven’t been updated yet will be taken to another thread to discuss more as there are other things about it to talk about, which should have it’s own thread.

Other than that, all of the other pages have been updated accordingly to what was agreed with here.

 

[LordTracer]

Before we finish up, could I edit Mega Rayquaza’s justification to something like; “Should be stronger than Mega Mewtwo, as its base performed better against Deoxys than Mewtwo did”

Just so the reason that it scales above Mewtwo is actually on the profile.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Before we finish up, could I edit Mega Rayquaza’s justification to something like; “Should be stronger than Mega Mewtwo, as its base performed better against Deoxys than Mewtwo did”

Just so the reason that it scales above Mewtwo is actually on the profile.

That would be preferable.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Before we finish up, could I edit Mega Rayquaza’s justification to something like; “Should be stronger than Mega Mewtwo, as its base performed better against Deoxys than Mewtwo did”

Just so the reason that it scales above Mewtwo is actually on the profile.

Yup. This is already accepted anyway and the justification is entirely non-controversial

So it should be just a simple clarification fix.

 

[LordTracer]

Alright, done.

 

[LordTracer]

Actually, I just checked and the Therian forms haven’t gotten the upgrade.

 

[Antvasima]

I will wait a bit with closing this then, but tell me here when you are done.