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The time's come for this to finally be brought up. Some of us already expected this to happen soon, so there's no point in beating around the bush with waiting anymore. Let's get this over with.
As many here already know by now, Pokemon has recently gotten it's 2-A upgrade finally. And as a result of that upgrade, it opens the door to potential new upgrades involving Necrozma's 4-B (now 3-C) feat that we use for his and a good number of other legendaries / ultra beasts tiers. This thread's purpose is to decide where those potential upgrades will end up. So without further a due, let's get started.
And it becomes infinite due to the now considered infinite numbers of warp holes from infinite Ultra Wormholes inside of Ultra Space now conencting to an infinite amount of universes. It's light reaching these infinite worlds would mean Necrozma is unleashing infinite amounts of light, and we'd get the same result for Ultra Space being illuminated as Ultra Space would need to be infinite in scope for housing infinite Ultra Wormholes to connect to said worlds. In either case you choose to go with, High 3-A becomes a viable upgrade for Necrozma's light feat under the circumstances of the verse's new upgrade.
And hold on. An AP upgrade isn't the only thing that would become possible here either.
"Infinite Speed (Able to travel anywhere instantly, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time."
Getting infinite speed nowadays is to either travel anywhere instantly, or being able to move across infinite distances within finite amounts of time. Which is what the case would be here for Necrozma and it's light. Ultra Space becoming an infinite sized realm, and connecting to infinite universes via Ultra Wormholes, would mean Necrozma's light is traversing across Ultra Space and all of these worlds in a finite amount of time across infinite distances. Aka, Necrozma's light would be moving at infinite speeds.
And from there the scaling is the same as it is now with MFTL+.
Neither of these upgrades are getting anything more than, at the absolute most, a "Likely" put on them. Since the 2-A upgrades for the verse were put as likely, and the fact that these upgrades here are also quite drastic, High 3-A and infinite speed wouldn't be applied to the pages as solid ratings. So the 3-C and MFTL+ ratings will still be staying on the pages one way or another.
If the upgrade goes through, we'd be getting "At least 3-C, likely High 3-A" and "At least MFTL+, likely Infinite" for these guys. Or something similar.
Update:
Ignore what's crossed out. In the middle of this threads discussion, we've decided on a new compromise for The Pokemon who would be scaling to this. Instead of everyone getting a "Likely" rating for High 3-A and Infinite speed, only some of them would be getting it. Others who downscale to the lowest extent from Necrozma will be getting a "Possibly" as a much more reasonable result to agree on.
Those who get "Likely" and those who get "Possibly" will be noted out below.
Pokemon who get "Likely":
And with that, here we go.
As many here already know by now, Pokemon has recently gotten it's 2-A upgrade finally. And as a result of that upgrade, it opens the door to potential new upgrades involving Necrozma's 4-B (now 3-C) feat that we use for his and a good number of other legendaries / ultra beasts tiers. This thread's purpose is to decide where those potential upgrades will end up. So without further a due, let's get started.
Upgrade 1: High 3-A
For those who weren't already expecting this, Necrozma's feat of using it's light to illuminate all of Ultra Space, the worlds Ultra Space connect to via Ultra Wormholes, and absorbing said light in it's base form, may be able to reach High 3-A. Because of the Pokemon Multiverse being now accepted as a 2-A structure, this would effect Necrozma's feat since Ultra Space would now become an infinite sized realm under these new circumstances.And it becomes infinite due to the now considered infinite numbers of warp holes from infinite Ultra Wormholes inside of Ultra Space now conencting to an infinite amount of universes. It's light reaching these infinite worlds would mean Necrozma is unleashing infinite amounts of light, and we'd get the same result for Ultra Space being illuminated as Ultra Space would need to be infinite in scope for housing infinite Ultra Wormholes to connect to said worlds. In either case you choose to go with, High 3-A becomes a viable upgrade for Necrozma's light feat under the circumstances of the verse's new upgrade.
And hold on. An AP upgrade isn't the only thing that would become possible here either.
Upgrade 2: Infinite Speed
Necrozma's light feats, which grant the MFTL+ ratings for traversing Ultra Space, would arguably be able to reach infinite speed under these new circumstances too. A quick reminder of what our new definition and standards for infinite speed are:"Infinite Speed (Able to travel anywhere instantly, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time."
Getting infinite speed nowadays is to either travel anywhere instantly, or being able to move across infinite distances within finite amounts of time. Which is what the case would be here for Necrozma and it's light. Ultra Space becoming an infinite sized realm, and connecting to infinite universes via Ultra Wormholes, would mean Necrozma's light is traversing across Ultra Space and all of these worlds in a finite amount of time across infinite distances. Aka, Necrozma's light would be moving at infinite speeds.
And from there the scaling is the same as it is now with MFTL+.
Results
Should both of these things get accepted, Necrozma and the legendaries that downscale from him would get High 3-A and Infinite Speed upgrades. But hold on just a second before some of you start celebrating. Let me clarify something here.Neither of these upgrades are getting anything more than, at the absolute most, a "Likely" put on them. Since the 2-A upgrades for the verse were put as likely, and the fact that these upgrades here are also quite drastic, High 3-A and infinite speed wouldn't be applied to the pages as solid ratings. So the 3-C and MFTL+ ratings will still be staying on the pages one way or another.
Update:
Ignore what's crossed out. In the middle of this threads discussion, we've decided on a new compromise for The Pokemon who would be scaling to this. Instead of everyone getting a "Likely" rating for High 3-A and Infinite speed, only some of them would be getting it. Others who downscale to the lowest extent from Necrozma will be getting a "Possibly" as a much more reasonable result to agree on.
Those who get "Likely" and those who get "Possibly" will be noted out below.
Scaling List
This here is to list the following legendaries that would be upgraded if this revision gets accepted.Pokemon who get "Likely":
- Ultra Necrozma (Self explanatory)
- Dawn / Dusk Wings Necrozma
- Base Necrozma
- Solgaleo
- Lunala
- Tapu Guardians (Tapu Koko, Bulu, Fini & Lele)
- Sivally
- Zeraora
- Melmetal
- Ultra Beasts (Buzzwole, Pheromosa, Nihilego, Xurkitree, Celesteela, Kartana, Guzzlord, Naganadel, & Blacephalon)
- Ash's Pikachu (Z-MOVE ONLY)
- Zygarde (Perfect and 50% Forms ONLY)
- Yveltal
- Xerneas
- Dance (Mega Evolved Form ONLY)
- Magearna
- Bewear (Anime version only and doesn’t scale to anyone but her)
- Lusamine (Merged ONLY)
- Mega Mewtwo
- Shadow Mewtwo (Mega Evolved ONLY)
- Mew (With Transform ONLY; Ordinary AP stays 5-B)
- Genesect (Shiny Genesect gets both the AP and Speed upgrade; Regular Genesect just get the speed upgrade and stay at 5-B)
- Base Kyurem
- Reshiram
- Zekrom
- Black/White Kyurem
- Victini
- Keldeo (Resolute Forme only)
- Cobalion
- Terrakion
- Virizion
- Tornadus (Therian Forme only)
- Thunderus (Therian Forme only)
- Landorus (Therian Forme only)
- Mega Rayquaza
- Deoxys (SPEED ONLY; AP stays 5-B)
- Hoopa (Unbound ONLY)
And with that, here we go.
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