- 8,517
- 1,850
The Blog where the Revision is detailed specifically is here. Essentially Earth 616 has an immensely impressive feat that backscales to the likes of the Lords of Shamballa and Fallen Stars, who despite their Tier 1 ranks which was evaluated by WoG and approced to be Tier 1 are viewed consistently as nigh-fodder to those who are currently At least 2-C.
Statements that realms such as Crossroads of Infinity and Heroes Reborn ... and eveeven other Realities are hinted to have deeper cosmology / are viewed as merely universes:
- Heroes Reborn was intended solely to be a Universe parallel to 616 in structure , but was stated to be a lesserreality (Heroes Reborn)
- Realities were stated to be Archtypal and Platonic within some of the newer comics... With them specifically stated tohave a different definition of time anspace in comparison to regular science.
- Realities and People were stated to have the potential to reachthe levels of Tier 1 that the Shamballa is on, such as the former Sorcerer Supreme reaching Shamballa and becoming one via sheer power, but most are limited to the Illusion of Reality and the Dream of Existence (Shamballa and Man-Thing / Strange Tales).
- Realities containing Tier 1 Constructs which should be impossible of they are only 4-D, such as the Multiverse being contained within one reality during Man-Thing, one reality containing the Citadel, etc.
The Below bullets will be under the assumption that DeMatteis' comics are considered to be canon due to a multitude of referencing from several writers and almost 10 different sets canon Marvel material... from the Classic Era to Ultimates
- We see that Dr.Strange (Classic) only believes those who can crack the Nexus he suspects were capable of reversing the event that caused the heroes to return to their home reality (Heroes Reborn: The Return). You can amass all the 1-A Feats he has been a part of and even performed (such as Shamballa) alongside an equally powerful entity (Hamir) which was described as transcending the very concepts of infinity , time , & space in it's totality .Becoming temporarily bonded with Shamballa allowed him to have similar nature to the Magician/God hinted throughout Hindiusm , as noted here with Maya's purpose of not wanting people to reach that potential in fear of losing her job also consistent . Lords of Shamballa were aalso hinted to be outside of myth and parable
- (The Former Sorcerer Supreme) would actually scale, considering he's not only still one with the Universe, but was stated that Strange had his power, while the other person (Hamir) had his spirit. . So despite being able to accomplish this grand feat of power, he didn't even compare himself to be capable of acheiving what essentially 2 realities is capable of accomplishing.
- The Shamballa incident hints that these concepts and entities were around since the very beginning of the Classic Marvel Era, even while Ancient One was alive... Proving if we use DeMatteis that it wasn't a concept Unknown to the verse... It was something implemented into the lore.
- Even a fraction of the Nexus during Strange Tales controlling a entity , which allowed the user to be capable of this , was considered an explicitly Outerversal Feat by various knowledgable members as it mimicks 1-A feats performed in Hindiusm.
- Keep in mind that the energies of Earth 616 and Heroes Rebor (which is consistently referred to as a "lesser reality" caused the heroes to retur . Due to this being a dual feat, we have to assume that Earth 616 took 1/2 of the Effort to perform the feat.
- This isn't uncontradicted because we've seen singular realities even in Strange Tales contain the Dream of literally the End of All Things (which by proxy if the DeMatteis stuff is canon would be 1-A). We've also seen now that singular realities can produce entities of such power if DeMatteis could be considered canon... In-fact Shamballa even mentionsthat the type of power mentioned exists potentially within all things ... So again it isn't unfounded because they literally state that this power has always existed but most never realized it.
- Also noteworthy that Dr.Strange even asked Eterniity to deal witht he situatio , which is proven later o , hinting he believes only Universal Avatar Level entities was actually capable of reversing the crisis. So again it wouldn't scale to the average Universe Buster... It would scale to someone being a threat specifically to 616
- 616 being that powerful would affect not only that reality, but the realities it branches into as well... Since the branching realities equal their original in output.. Resulting in interesting changes.
- We see feats of this level constantly throughout the canon comics as well, either via direct statements or feats. Chaos King was described as predating existence itself despite rivaling Multi-Eternity in power, we see Ka'dmon considered to be only a Universal Abstract despite scaling above the dream of existence (which scales above the feats Strange performed in Shamballa) , we have multiple statements of Galactus' mere spirit being beyond the concept of space-time, we see Eternity embodying Universes, we have Eternity and Never Queen creating a complex space, we see Galactus literally ripping a piece of the Outside with his bare hands which was described in a 1-A Manner. we see Eternity's Realm described as transcending all levels of dream (which again would include the Dream of Existence), we see Scrier literally stated to predate reality and the concept of time... These feats are litered throughout and cannot be ignored if DeMatteis is proven to be canon
Anyone capable of either destroying 616 in it's totality , Heroes Reborn ,Crossroads, 616's Branching Realities , or All Realities . It likely would affect the Multiversal Abstracts as well.
Note: I am actually vehemently against this upgrade & all that it stands for... As it embodies everything myself and Antvasima doesn't want to see in Marbel... But this is not about my opinion so much as trying to go through and just go through and evaluate all things that may result on some form of an upgrade that could theoretically result in otherwise bloated statistics. And yes despite my wants for this thread to be disagreed with... I would appreciate those effectively evaluating it. I also hope to come up with a lowball of either 2A or High 1B for this instead of 1A... But that isn't for solely me to decide.
