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(LN) TSSDK Vol. 2 Revisions

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These are some unnoticed feats I came across from Vol.2 of Tenslime's LN.


(Rimuru)
Perception Manipulation:
"Thought Communication allowed me to see the world through Soei's eyes—a pretty handy feature, in my opinion—but unlike myself, Soei couldn't keep the link going indefinitely."

Precognition.
"I wasn't worried, though. This orc was, in my eyes, pretty weak. Unlike Hakuro, whose strikes seemed impossible to avoid even with the instincts of a born hunter, I could still predict this orc's moves just by looking at him. It was cute, in a way."

(Ranga)
Matter (at the atomic level) & Sound Manipulation.
"A moment later, a shock wave formed a crater in the earth, sending piles of dirt and mud into the sky. The blast from Ranga's Voice Cannon held enough power to atomize a group of goblins on the spot. But it would only work, of course, if it actually struck the ogres."

Fear Manipulation (on a scale of 8 people).
"So Ranga, accepting my order, turned to face the lizardmen. A single glare from him was enough to make even the stout-looking guards in their iron chest pieces take a step back in self-defense."

"Ranga was using Coercion as he talked. It struck home among the warriors, who were now frozen in place.
One, though, wasn't—the envoy, who looked a tad groggy but still maintained his stately, puffed-out posture."


Aura.
"With a howl as long and loud as he could muster, he unleashed his aura. After spending so long in the shadow of Rimuru, he had been heavily exposed to his beloved master's aura and used it to picture himself as the magical beast he was. Something drove him to pursue this form of himself, and now Ranga realized it was time for his instincts to awaken."

(Shion)
Summoning. It's likely she can resummon her scabbard at any point.
"Oh, it's fine," Shion said with a laugh. "The scabbard's covered in magical power, so I can make it disappear with a moment's thought."

Light speed?/Existence Erasure?
"The voice was accompanied by a single flash of light, backed up by a low rumble. And with it, the orc general ceased to exist in any physical sense."

Energy Projection.
"A blast of energy shot out from Shion's heavy sword. The orcish soldiers crowded in front of her were blown away before they realized what had happened—and the attack signaled the beginning of their battle."
"Shion also had the Art known as Ogresword Cannon, which let her unleash pure energy from the tip of her blade."

Damage Reduction.
"Realizing the danger, she attempted to deflect the blow while leaping backward to reduce the impact. The damage upon her was clear nonetheless. She winced in pain—it'd be a while before she was ready to move again."

(Soei)
Genius Intelligence.

"Soei, meanwhile, was leading a small group of hobgobs as they built a sort of security network around town, lined with small-scale devices along the way that would sound an alarm whenever someone approached."

He was also able to figure out the fact that the Orc Lord had Ravenous despite not directly being in confrontation with it, and the existence of an Orc Lord.

"This is just speculation on my part, but I wonder if, perhaps, they were…foraging upon the bodies of those who died of starvation or battle wounds. I say this because, while I conducted thorough investigations of the battlefields they fought in, I found not a single corpse."

"But wherever they were known to be, I found not a single corpse—and our homeland was completely devoid of anything. That is the full truth. And that brings to mind a certain skill…"

"Indeed. I have not confirmed it, but I cannot deny the chance that an orc lord has appeared. I have, at least, confirmed the presence of high-order orc knights. Our attackers, likely."


Genius Intelligence for Hakurou and Benimaru, too. Since they formulate plans with Soei.

"I think you may have a point. If the main lizardman force is deployed directly in front of them, it would be easiest to try to strike from the rear. But the orcs clearly don't have the time to try to circle behind them, and even if they attempted such folly, they could easily be attacked and routed from both sides while their lines are stretched thin. There is no reason to keep an army here." (Hakurou)

"But what would the point be?" Benimaru countered. "Even if the goblins defeated the lizardmen, all they'd have waiting for them is death at the hands of the orc onrush." (Benimaru)


(Treyni)
Aura.
"Treyni exuded a presence in the room that was electric. It was like energy coursed across her entire body."

Magic.
"The moment she completed her declaration, she began casting a spell. This unnerved Laplace."

Immortality Type 8/Fusionism?
"It was similar to Rimuru's Replication—although she did not, strictly speaking, have any physical form at all, apart from the holy tree that housed her soul. Those properties allowed her to unify her spirit with others like her."

Telepathy/Information Manipulation.
"No one was there to answer. Treyni filed the question away for later, instead turning her eyes toward the battlefield. Running her mind through the roots of the plants that surrounded her, she used her dryad skills to swim in an ocean of information."

(Hakurou)
Relativistic speeds? Because we've already established Rimuru's Magic Sense is passive, and he barely caught his speed.
"It was Hakuro, and with a speed even I was just barely capable of following, he drew his sword from the staff it was hidden in."

(Gabil)
Magic.
"Vortex Spear, a magical weapon to be wielded only by the strongest of tribal warriors, and as far as Gabil was concerned, he was born to hold it."

Stealth Mastery.
"That was how the battle began—a handful of fighters hiding in the tall grasses, sneaking up on a clutch of orcs."


Social Influencing.
"The lizardmen's natural agility in these marshes made that strategy possible. Gabil was no talentless fool. He lacked his father's ability to instantly gauge the entire theater of war in one glance, but the way he led his fighting men and women was worthy of praise. He had inherited a lot of talent from the former chief. Lizardmen were naturally attracted to the strong, the powerful—merely talking a big show wouldn't be enough. Gabil's men loved him, and the love proved that he was more than just bravado and mindless courage."


(Orc Diaster)
Adaption, Power Absorption, Power Mimicry.

"The orcish infantry gnawing on the bare flesh were transferring the lizardman's abilities to the orc lord himself. It would not be a perfect duplicate like the ones Rimuru could engineer with his Predator skill, but it had one advantage: It could give the caster not only the consumed victim's skills, but also their innate physical traits. Whatever the orc lord managed to absorb from the body, he could then feed back to the rest of his army."

"It was exactly why the lizardman chief feared, above everything else, losing any of his men in battle. Doing so meant losing any inherent advantage his species brought to the table. Even if the orcs couldn't fully seize the skills of their foes, they could still gain some feature of the lizardmen—and it would instantly be gifted to every member of the horde."

"Perhaps they'd grow webbing around their feet, letting them more freely move through the mud. Or perhaps scales would spontaneously appear over the more vulnerable points on their bodies, boosting their defense. They were little changes, yes, but they would have dramatic effects on how the battle would turn out."



Telepathy.
"This was known as the Food Chain, another ability unlocked by the Ravenous skill. It let the orcs function both as a horde, and as a single conscious entity. Ravenous did not work the way a well-trained direwolf pack did, but the effects it could have on an enemy could be just as devastating."

"A pity, though," Soei blithely commented as he looked at the frozen orc. "I had him captured, I was hoping to torture him so he would be of some use to Sir Rimuru…but it would appear he is sharing information with some outside source. I suppose I will have to kill him, the."


(Laplace:)
Stealth Mastery:
"His own intrinsic Anti-Magic skills let him escape mortal injury. All it managed to take from him was a single arm—and with a puff of smoke, the arm went into so-called Stealth Mode. This was an original skill, exclusive to Laplace, that combined illusory magic like Deception, Infiltration, and Concealment, and he was so deft at casting it that it even let him deceive the spiritual senses of a dryad."

(Shuna:)
Status Effect Inducement.
"The illusory spell Confusion, cast at the start of battle, had also knocked his keen sense of smell off-line. At least the effects had not fully incapacitated him yet—though it had taken out most of his companions in battle, unable to resist the magic strike."

(Resistances:)
Resistance to Status Effect Inducement for Ranga, and anyone stronger than him.

"The illusory spell Confusion, cast at the start of battle, had also knocked his keen sense of smell off-line. At least the effects had not fully incapacitated him yet—though it had taken out most of his companions in battle, unable to resist the magic strike."

Resistance to Fear Manipulation (on a scale of 8 people) for Gabil, and anyone stronger than him. "So Ranga, accepting my order, turned to face the lizardmen. A single glare from him was enough to make even the stout-looking guards in their iron chest pieces take a step back in self-defense."

"Ranga was using Coercion as he talked. It struck home among the warriors, who were now frozen in place. One, though, wasn't—the envoy, who looked a tad groggy but still maintained his stately, puffed-out posture."


Resistance to Empathic Manipulation for Orc Disaster, and anyone stronger:

"The howl made the orcish soldiers shudder, but they felt no fear from it. Their orc general was right by their side, and the Ravenous skill had dulled their hearts. Ranga gave them a disinterested snort as he glanced at their leader. This was no threat to him now. He could feel his true strength, and it was time to show it off."
 
Seems mostly fine. A few points though:

  • Why are the effects of Ranga's Skills "up to 8 people" in potency? Where does that number come from?
  • I am not sure how you arrive at Genius intelligence for the Kijin.
 
There was 8 people that were sent over to Tempest to be subordinates of Rimuru, one of them being Gabil.

Soei generally seems to be the smartest, and he was able to figure out the existence of Ravenous and Orc Lord's without any true confirmation. I also gave it to Hakurou and Benimaru because they were also capable of planning out with Soei.
 
Rimuru:

Perception Manipulation- Agree

Precognition- Agree

Ranga:

Matter (at the atomic level) & Sound Manipulation- Agree

Fear Manipulation- He was already getting this from the other thread, so agree.

Aura- Agree

Shion:

Summoning- Agree

Light speed?/Existence Erasure? Not light speed, and clearly hyperoble to mean the orcs were destroyed imo.

Energy Projection- She already has energy manipulation which covers this

Damage Reduction- This has nothing to do with her using an abiltiy to reduce damage just her using her sword and leaping back to do so.

Genius Intelligence for Pre-Harvest Festival Soei: Don't see how this is genius intelelct

Treyni:

Aura- Agree

Magic- Agree

Immortality Type 8/Fusionism? Fusionism i guess

Telepathy/Information Manipulation- Telepathy i think

Hakurou:

Relativistic speeds? Too vague imo.

Gabil:

Magic- Agree

Stealth Mastery- Agree

Social Influencing- Agree

Orc Disaster (scaling feats):

Adaption, Power Absorption, Power Mimicry- Agree

Telepathy- Agree

Laplace:

Stealth Mastery- Agree

Shuna:

Status Effect Inducement: Illusion creation covers this already i think


Resistances:

Resistance to Status Effect Inducement for Ranga, and anyone stronger than him- Agree

Resistance to Empathic Manipulation for Orc Disaster, and anyone stronger- This is due to Ravenous skill so idk about scaling to ppl stronger just cause.
 
Ranga's Coercion effect that affects 8 people should scale up to the pre-Ifrit Rimuru from LN vol. 1, by the time his first key concludes, so it should have the potency of affecting 210 people.

Also Gabil was with a team of 10 including himself, so all the figures of 8 should be 9 instead, I think.

And this is one of the few instances where LN/manga/anime contradict each other, since in the manga/anime Gabil took more Lizardman over to Rimuru's village.
 
1. It does explicitly say it's a "flash of light". I can kind of see what you mean for existence erasure, but the page for EE does say that it goes beyond any type of atomization, vaporization, etc. The text says the orc was destroyed BEYOND any physical sense.

2. Damage Reduction being her blocking is fair enough.

3. As I said, he's generally the smartest of the Kijin, and the fact that he was able to find out the existence of a Orc Lord and the Ravenous skill.

4. I say Fusionism because her soul exists within that tree. I don't believe it'd be possible to kill her if it exists there.

5. I believe it's information maniplation because she is quite literally swimming through information.

6. We established on the Vol.7 Revision thread, that Rimuru's Magic Sense is passive. So the fact that he can barely see Hakurou with that, I can't see how that's vague.

7. I don't believe nullifying senses falls under that. Plus I don't think illusions fall under SEI.

8. Ravenous is a skill that comes FROM him, so I believe it should scale to him.
 
NeoSuperior said:
Ranga's Coercion effect that affects 8 people should scale up to the pre-Ifrit Rimuru from LN vol. 1, by the time his first key concludes, so it should have the potency of affecting 210 people.
Also Gabil was with a team of 10 including himself, so all the figures of 8 should be 9 instead, I think.
Oh, okay.
 
@MRB

1. That's just the flash of lightning, not actual light.

2. -

3. I think it's High Intelligence, but it just isn't a Genius Intelligence feat.

4. Traya being wounded in vol. 3 suggests that taking too much spiritual damage might be dangerous. Keep in mind that they weren't ever shown to have a convenient ability like Perfect Memory, so they are still dependent on their Spiritual Bodies or at least even if they did survive, they might suffer memory loss or even worse damage afterwards.

5. I agree. It's similar to Clayman's ability, whose CRT for getting Info Manip CP had agreed to, so I don't understand what's different here.

6. Mind that at most it's just his sword-slashing speed though. Definitly doesn't scale to actual movement speed, since it'd mean Hakurou would be 100x or 1000x faster than Rimuru when he flies at top speed.

7. -

8. I think CP meant the "...and anyone stronger" part, because it's very specific to the Ravenous Skill directly calming people down, nothing to do with Orc Disaster's strength or AP. But it doesn't even really matter, because on my CRT thread everyone scaling to Rimuru first key Rimuru already gets resistance to empathic manipulation due to Rimuru's feat of not being affected by Gazel's empathetic manipulation via his Heroic Aura. But as for Orc Disaster himself he'd probably resist something like Heroic Aura too, so he'd scale to that, I think.
 
1. Alright. But how do you feel about the EE aspect?

3. Alright, High Intelligence then.

4. But what is it? Immortality Type 8?

6. So Relativistic attack speed?

8. Fair.
 
@Milly 1. You need more than a "flash of light" to prove light speed, ie statements of the speed of light and such. EE is fine then.

3. Still dont' think that qualifies Soei for being genius.

4. We never really got a statement that Tryeni won't die as long as her soul exists in the holy tree.

5. I guess info manipulation for Treyni is fine.

6. This is contradicted by Myulan being able to see him perfectly with Magic Sense, though i guess you would argue he wasn't going all out then. If you wanna quantify "barely" then he and everyone who scales would be Relativistic+ i think.

7. We do have a Sense Manipulation page so could just go with that instead of Status Inducement.

8. Obviously it scales to the orc lord, was just saying other ppl shouldn't necessarily scale to the orc lord since he does this due to his skill.
 
1. Alright, just EE.

3. Alright.

4. I guess that's true, but isn't she akin to that of a Spiritual Lifeform.

5. Alrght.

6. I believe it would be Relativistic+. I believe that he would've gotten stronger since that moment. It was likely a battle ready, full power, ready to kill Hakurou against one that seems more casual than what you're saying. But I haven't read that far.

7. Alright, Sense Manipulation and resistance to it for anyone stronger.

8. Alright, just the Orc Lord.
 
1. I think it has some merit due to the fact that Death Storm is a weakened version of a Skill/Magic from Veldora, so such feats do not really appear to be that much of a hyperbole with that in mind, escpacially since Ranga was completely exhausted after just using Death Storm twice.

4. Too vague. We'd need a statement that either the spiritual body used is just an expendable avatar or that the soul in the tree is "the only thing that matters" or something along those lines. Until then, just Fusionism it is.

6. Not sure. We don't know how fast Rimuru's base reaction speed is without 1000x Thought Acceleration on in comparison to Hakurou who recently got the same Thought Acceleration and who trained sword skills for 300 or so years. Relativistic Slashing speed wouldn't be too much and it also wouldn't contradict any sparring matches since those are likely only usuable if you actually cut off an enemy's limbs and continue slashing (see the anime equivalent of that scene in EP 13).
 
@Milly The Myulan statement of being able to see keep up with his movements is from volume 4, and it was Hakurou during basically a training session with Gobta and co.

So as i said before, you can argue he was being causal, so i can agree with him having Relativistic+ attack speed, anyway i am going back to reading VN.
 
So, I think these are accepted:

Rimuru gets Precognition, and Perception Manipulation.

Ranga gets Matter Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Aura.

Shion gets Summoning, and Existence Erasure.

Treyni gets Magic, Aura, Fusionism, and Information Manipulation.

Gabil gets Magic with Vortex Spear, Stealth Mastery, and Social Influencing.

Orc Disaster gets Adaptation, Power Absorption, Power Mimicry, Telepathy, and Resistance to Empathic Manipulation.

Laplace gets Stealth Mastery.

Shuna gets Sense Manipulation.

Everyone:

Resistance to Fear Manipulation, if you're stronger or equal to Gabil.

Resistance to Sense Manipulation, if you're stronger or equal to Ranga.

Relativistic+ attack speed for A ranks or higher?
 
I think the attack speed thing should not be given to all strong individuals, just long-lived swordmasters like Hakurou and maybe Gazel.

Also why Relativistic+? Rimuru DOES manage to see it with Relaticistic reaction speed, so Hakurou's attack speed should be comparable to, or lower than that.

And Rimuru's as well as Hinata's attack speed would scale, I think.
 
Hmm, I guess. I feel like it should be A ranks or higher, simply because they'd be comparable. But then again, I think it was established that magic count/strength wasn't all to ranks.

CP said Relativistic+, so I just said that.

And yeah, I think so.
 
Yea it can't be right.

"barely seeing" something via relativistic reaction speed = that "something" got less than relativistic speed
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
So, should only Hakurou and those stronger get Relativistic speeds?
I am neutral. But, you do need another evaluating staffs' agreement for it since @Celestial Pegasus has disagreed, @Milly.

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Milly Rocking Bandit said:
He agreed with Hakurou being Relativistic, the only thing is who are we scaling it to? Those stronger than Hakurou?
Oh, my mistake, I saw. I think @Celestial Pegasu said Hakurou and everyone would scale. Well, you can asked @Celestial Pegasus on the clarification.
 
No, no, no! you can't hand out relativistic speeds so easily! Take into account that there is one particular counter-feat: Rimuru's flight speed merely being supersonic post-Charybdis. It creates huge inconsistencies to just slap relativistic on his base-Slime form like that.

General Movement Speed can't be so high!
 
Are you talking about Magic Sense? Because that's not reliable against someone like Hakurou or Gazel who have "Formhide", an Art that enables the user to avoid detection via Magic Sense. It's how Hakurou managed to cut off Rimuru's arm in their initial encounter. So it's possible that Rimuru's reaction speed was lower against Hakurou because he masked his presence. THe LN states how Hakurou was basically acting as an assassin who kills off the Orc Generals one by one.

Also: Speed as "Slime" =/= Speed as "Demon Slime"

In regards to flight speed, it's insane to believe that Rimuru is THAT MUCH faster on foot than in flight. Rimuru is obviously considering his flightspeed faster than his running speed, else he'd have run toward the Sky Dragon in vol. 4 instead of flying toward it.
 
I referring to how Hakurou cut off Geld's head, how Shizu dodges Black Lightning, how Rimuru says he'd have difficulty dodging Megiddo, but it wouldn't be impossible. Keep in mind, Hakurou killing Orc Generals was way more casual than the one that just utterly one shot, blitz'd Orc Lord.

As for Flight vs Running speed, Superman vs Flash comes to mind. Superman obviously has more flight speed in constrast to running. If he were to run to every encounter, not only would that make it so difficult to draw, but it would make him having flying speeds difficult.
 
Post-Charybdis Rimuru mentions being rather happy about finally being able to break through the sound barrier, which above MACH 1. In comparison relativistic speed starts at MACH 88099.

You want to tell me that he runs almost 90000x faster than he flies?

Dodging Speed of Light is more along the lines of reaction speed and perhaps something like of detecting the prepareation of the the attack before it happens, i.e. basically predicting the attack and dodging it before it even "starts".
 
Like I said, there is a very large difference in flight and running speed. I've even found multiple supersonic WN flight feats, in comparsion to much more combat/reaction speed.
 
Another issue is Hakurou's battle with Kyouya. Kyouya just has supersonic+ speed. If Hakurou was relativistic then it wouldn't even be a battle...

Also your reasoning for Hakurou "blitzing the Orc Disaster" can't be used, because he didn't overpower him with speed, but rather with anti-detection measures, the same way he got the better of Rimuru in their initial encounter. If anything, his mass slaying of Orcs would be a better feat to base the speed on, since at least his slashing speed seems to be that fast.
 
I don't believe that is the case. In the anime (which is based off the LN), he charged at the slide at him, and Orc Disaster saw it. But he was preoccupied with Shion, so his head got cut off.

If Hakurou is casually killing Orc Generals like that, then a much stronger Orc Disaster, why would his speed be supersonic?
 
Not sure what speed got to do with it. The scene in the anime shows, as you already mentioned, Orc Disaster being pre-occupied with Shion. And then also Hakurou "popping up into existene out of nowhere" (not due to speed, but due to his Formhide Art). How does that prove relativistic (80000x faster) speeds? I don't understand your reasoning here.
 
The fact that he was able to turn and see Hakurou, whilst Rimuru with Magic Sense, didn't. Again, the only reason he couldn't dodge was because again, pre-occupied with Shion. The reason we call this Relativistic is because when Hakurou did that, he nearly outsped Rimuru's magic sense (something we've established as passive). This is even more evident because Rimuru had learned to deal with Formhide after training, yet just BARELY caught him.
 
Keep in mind that Orc Disaster had a corrosive aura around him. And he already had relativistic reaction speed anyway. It doesn't translate to relativistic movement speed though.

Also in Rimuru's instance he was not in "battle mode" and he tried to calm down the Kijin (Ogres at the time). Also Rimuru actually managed to dodge an attack that was aimed toward his "head", which is why "only his arm" was cut off.
 
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