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Zeref Dragneel vs Judge R

Ultio seems to have a speed advantage, although it's not much

He most likely has the AP advantage as well, although this doesn't really matter

what does matter is if Zeref's magic would kill Greed when it tries to eat it
 
Speed scaling Chain:

White Zeref blitzed Dragon Force Natsu who is much faster than base Natsu who is comparable or faster than Erza who is Mach 6,560.


R is faster than Hui who is comparable to his original self who is baseline as there isn't a calc. (Baseline = Mach 1000.)
 
Greed absorbed Taboo, a law placed on humans by the Gods. Don't know what that counts for, but yeah. Regardless, what Zeref opens with will determine this fight.
 
Zeref opens with death manip. Since R doesn't start with Greed and the death manip doesn't really have anything about it that lets you know you're going to die when it hits you, I think Zeref takes it.
 
What does Zeref open with anyway? If it's range spam, R can just enter his pocket dimension. If it's anything contact based, R can absorb Zeref's powers.
 
They're 4km away. Zeref will open with an attack from range, but he doesn't spam. It could either be a death beam or a death pillar, the latter of which spawns on the opponent.
 
Oof. If R dies, Greed eats his body and he tries again as full Greed. Taek, who had a vastly inferior Greed, was consumed by it when he lost to Il-Pyo and proceeded to get right back up again.
 
Greed isn't tied to R to the point of it being literally him, just a parasite fused with him.It can survive by eating him.
 
Greed ate itself at the end when it destroyed the Taboo. Gods Absorbed R doesn't have Greed, he's full Demigod.
 
It ate a law. I don't even know if this counts as consuming a concept.
 
Whoops I made a mistake. Gods Absorbed R does have Greed, he took it from Mi-Ra to try and beat Mo-Ri. He died by a PIS sword impaling him from behind and poisoning him.
 
Does Zeref's spell have an AoE? Because if it doesn't kill Greed, R ressurects. I doubt Zeref would even know that a separate entity is on R so if the spell isn't AoE R will hide inside his pocket dimension and jump Zeref.
 
No, I mean like if the spell is instant, R wouldn't have time to go into his pocket dimension.
 
Sir Ovens said:
Does Zeref's spell have an AoE? Because if it doesn't kill Greed, R ressurects. I doubt Zeref would even know that a separate entity is on R so if the spell isn't AoE R will hide inside his pocket dimension and jump Zeref.
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Death Predation is a Fast Wave of Death Magic and Death Pillar can be casted on target, so yes.
 
Death_Wave.gif


Got it. I'm on mobile so sorry I can't outright just show it

EDIT: Huh, nevermind
 
I feel like he's more likely to go for the Death Pillar than using Death Predation and end up killing everything within 4 kilometers of himself.
 
Remember when zeref curee activate 1st time, he was killing everything around him without even releasing any death ƒîè
 
If he uses Predation with that much distance between them, R can just hop into his pocket dimension and touch him once it's over.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
I feel like he's more likely to go for the Death Pillar than using Death Predation and end up killing everything within 4 kilometers of himself.
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They're in 4km? Then he'd yeah, he'd me more likely to use Pillar instead.
 
Does the Pillar kill one target per cast, or can it kill more than one target?
 
It killed up to 3 people IIRC. That said 1997 brings up a good point. When his curse 1st activated all people in his town and school died instantly without the use of any specific spell. There are also times where he or mavis will simply be walking and things will passively die around them.
 
Didn't Natsu protect Green and the other dude by making them duck underneath?
 
No, his scarf absorbed the attack.

"Igneel's Scarf: A scarf given to Natsu by Igneel, which he always wears to remember him. It wards off misfortune, even nullifying Zeref's Ankhseram Black Magic, but the exposure to such a dark curse caused it to tainted black, preventing him from receiving external healing until the curse was removed."
 
Hst master said:
It killed up to 3 people IIRC. That said 1997 brings up a good point. When his curse 1st activated all people in his town and school died instantly without the use of any specific spell. There are also times where he or mavis will simply be walking and things will passively die around them.
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That's pacifist Zeref who cannot control his powers. Bloodlusted Zeref can control the curse to a certain extent.
 
That's pacifist Zeref who cannot control his powers. Bloodlusted Zeref can control the curse to a certain extent.

Because he control his power, or we can say he didn't care about life anymore, if he let himself lose, he can kill anyone (who didn't have resistance) without casting any spell
 
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