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Madara isn't an astronaut

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Madara's current sub-rel speed is based on the following:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X/Naruto:_Madara_fly_to_the_Moo

It assumes the Moon is so close to the screen that Madara must've traveled this distance (not accounting for obvious artistic choices). The Moon is 384,400km away from Earth, and he assumes Madara travels 343,016 km in 30 seconds. However, that's clearly false given the fact that we can still see mountains in the background when Madara "flies to the Moon".

If common sense doesn't prove this math doesn't add up, we can see how Earth looks from the Moon in The Last . Additionally, Obito's versio of the Infinite Tsukuyomi would achieve the same thing, nowhere near the Moon.

From the Databook :

Lets dissect the language used.

"Madara awaiting his plan's accomplishment was a demonstration of his will, as the flower bud of the Holy Tree grew to the Moon."

Obviously the god tree didn't literally grow to the Moon, but it grew to great heights in the direction of the moon.

"When someone possessing the power Rinne approaches the moon, an eye will open that reflects on the moon in order for the infinite dream to grant their wish"

Which is close to what Madara says in the manga . However, approaching simply means getting closer to. In this context and with what we're shown, all it means is that he gets closer to the Moon, not directly next to its surface as the calculation implies.
 
I'm pretty sure this exact thing was brought up before and "debunked"

Cant wait to see the thread devolve
 
If Madara were in outer space, technically the headband would have been unable to even fall to the ground, correct Qaw? And even if he were in the upper atmosphere, it would take an extraordinarily long time for it to hit the ground, even assuming human terminal velocity of 53 m/s it would be absurd for it to hit the ground within even a ten minute timeframe.

It's a good point I had never considered.
 
The helmet thing wasn't debunked, people just wrote it off as PiS or ignored it.

If Madara were in outer space, technically the headband would have been unable to even fall to the ground, correct Qaw?

If he was that close to the moon, then yeah. Or at the very least, its orbit would take decades/centuries to decay into orbital reentry.
 
Xulrev said:
If Madara were in outer space, technically the headband would have been unable to even fall to the ground, correct Qaw? And even if he were in the upper atmosphere, it would take an extraordinarily long time for it to hit the ground, even assuming human terminal velocity of 53 m/s it would be absurd for it to hit the ground within even a ten minute timeframe.
It's a good point I had never considered.
Assuming Madara was at the boundary of outer space and our atmosphere (100km) and assuming he headband was a generous 3 pounds, accounting for gravity and air resistance it would take over 3 hours to fall. Getting closer to a more realistic weight easily multiplies the time frame.
 
Wow, that's...that's something all right.

So if Madara's calc is wrong due to false assumptions, what will he scale to? Will the calc have to be redone?
 
I will remain neutral until more input comes here.
 
Assuming that the author sits with a scale in one of his hands and an angsizing calculator in the other and draws scientifically accurate proportions of objects and keeps them consistent in all of the panels is fallacious at the very least.

Calculating stuff like these that heavily rely on inconsistent artistic choices and lack of knowledge about the correct distances between different objects on the writer's part, especially when there are many contradictions to the assumptions made in the calc (as Callsign and Qawsed have pointed out with their respective scans), wouldn't yield reliable results imo.
 
Huh - those are some pretty good points.

There are definitely major inconsistencies if we go with the interpretation of the current calc.

At the very least based on all the information in the OP, Madara did not travel 343,016 km.
 
Going by the current calc list on the Verse page, Madara's ratings should probably be put back to Massively Hypersonic+. Same for characters that scale from him.
 
OP does bring good points to the table, and that scene looks inconsistent.

What about redoing the calc from the atmosphere?
 
Damage3245 said:
Going by the current calc list on the Verse page, Madara's ratings should probably be put back to Massively Hypersonic+. Same for characters that scale from him.
Doesn't Naruto still scales to Sub-Rel?
 
The Prince of Counters said:
I think they'd still be Sub Rel from Toneri but aside from that I believe it's the only sub rel calc in the verse if this gets accepted.
Is not a matter of acceptance but wherever or not we can fix the calc in question.
 
Of course, that's a given but if this gets downgraded then it'll be irrelevant for scaling. I believe they already scale to a higher feat via Toneri cutting the moon so this isn't gonna be used for supportive evidence depending on how low it gets downgraded to.
 
AppleLord said:
Majority > one person.
I don't think that's how it works when there are factual issues within the context of a calc itself, correct?

Even if all the math of a calc is consistent and correct, if the presumptions are faulty, or the context of the numbers altered to fit a specific viewpoint, it results in the calc's application being incorrect.

Just because I can make a calc for 1x1 = 2 doesn't make it correct, for instance, as much as Terrence Howard might be hurt by that sentiment (news article link for anyone confused by that reference).
 
Something I'd like to check is this line on Naruto's profile for his speed:

> and considerably faster than his adult self using Kyuubi Chakra Mode

Does anyone know where the info comes from that Teenage Naruto is significtantly faster than his Adult Self?
 
People believe Naruto's teen self that fought Kaguya is superior to his adult form. His SPSM form is superior to BSM that was used in the Last Movie.
 
Damage3245 said:
Something I'd like to check is this line on Naruto's profile for his speed:
> and considerably faster than his adult self using Kyuubi Chakra Mode

Does anyone know where the info comes from that Teenage Naruto is significtantly faster than his Adult Self?
There aren't any 1-to-1 points of reference to prove that claim iirc, no scaling to be done. It makes sense, admittedly, but at the same time it is a presumption without factual grounding.
 
Wrath of Itachi; while that is plausible, it seems difficult to prove.
 
SPSM has better feats than BSM. Toneri was using Hamuras power against Naruto. So naturally SPSM would be faster than BSM when Kaguya has fought Hamura
 
SPSM Teenage Naruto has better Speed feats than Adult BSM Naruto?

> Toneri was using Hamuras power against Naruto. So naturally SPSM would be faster than BSM when Kaguya has fought Hamura

Could you explain why exactly that makes him faster?
 
Kaguya> Hamura+Hag>>>>>Toneri

Kaguya>Naruto(SPSM)

Toneri is literally using Hamuras power and the movie and novel established that.

Power scaling is easy for the god tier. Kaguya scales above Hamura which already makes Naruto scale who has blitzed her many times. That's why SPSM Naruto is faster than BSM Naruto. He has feats above his BSM 19 yo self.
 
Didn't Kaguya only fight Hamura & Hag when she was the 10-Tails?
 
i think u should read old blog and crt first then create crt distance between madara and the moon was in this calc

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1649520

Kepekley23 said:
No.
Both Kka and I calculated how far away Madara was from the moon before I upgraded the timeframe. This calculation requires Naruto mountains to be country sized to work, which is patently false, and also ignores the fact that Kishimoto draws mountains even when stuff like the GT is involved.

No such thing as Mach 3,000 Madara.
it was debunk b4 so request kep to comment here
 
....Damage Kaguya is still the ten tails. Ten tails is Kaguya. Or r u asking did she fight them in her Ten tails form, if so then no she didn't. I think your remember anime filler most definitely cause the Novel and Movie retcons the events of the fight anyway
 
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