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Bill's Downgrade (Again...)

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Well... maybe a lot of you are thinking right now "really???", but, this is necessary.

Also, I will not talk about the death 2-A (rest in peace... okno) because that was discussed here and here. Well, after this clarification, let's begin xd.

So, Bill is Low 2-C?

Short answer: No

Long answer: There is a lot of malinterpretation about Bill's tier and the series contradicts the tier 2 of Bill.

First of all, the main argument of this tier is the statement of Time Baby, showed here.

So, the Time Baby says "If your rip in this dimension continues, it can destroy the very fabric of existence!" and this will give him the Low 2-C tier do not? Well, this is totally wrong, and I will show you why.

First of all, you have to pay attention to what Time Baby says, "If your rip in this dimension continues, it can destroy the very fabric of existence!", Universe+ alright? Well, when he says "continues" it's obviously that he's talking about a process, not a direct attack, so what he wants to tell it's the threat that Bill's represents.

The reason of why Bill can destroy the fabric of existence is because he can use a lot of times his warp, and this chain expansion + Bill's warping everything = Boom!, but remenber this is only a process that will takes time to Bill, and as we see in the series, can be stopped (also by a simple magnitude law/space manip lol).

So what is the truly tier of Bill?

Well, in the Weirdmageddon we see the warp of Bill affected the entire Gravity Falls, so he will be At Least City Level, and a Universe Level Via Chain Reaction, but I think this last one it's inapplicable.

Also, the thing of Bill "removing" the laws and that will not put him into the Low 2-C tier, because... well the same thing as I said before.

And also, change the strentgh and durability of Bill to a Building Level, because, you know, his fight against the Shacktron, and his speed to at least Superhuman, we can see in Weirdmageddon that he can travel between the city in a short timeframe.

And the last points, remove the feats of Bill that are taken from the Reddit profile. Why?? Because this Reddit account is not canon, I mean, we don't know if this is the account of Alex, and if truly is his account, it's totally contradictory with all he shows in the series

If he has Law Manip, why he didn't make a Law that will remove the magnitude law of GF??

If he has Causality Manip, why he didn't used it against the main cast??

If he has Quatum Manip, why it takes time to regenerate his eye?? (also this and this also applies with his low-godly Regenerationn)

And a lot of etc that proves the Reddit account cannot be use for scale Bill.

Sooooo, what do you think???

Agree:

Disagree: JooCipher , Ercosore, ShadowWarrior1999, ThePixelKirby, Spinoirr, Js250476, Tony di bugalu (something insides me was warped :v)

Neutral:
 
>city level Bill

what

Bill one shotted Time Baby, who can devour time and controls Space Time

Shscktron is PIS

Law manip, casuality manip and physics manip are non combat applicable

Alex is confirmed to be the one that hosted the Bill Cipher AMA

Bill regenerated a physical form from his mind alone, hence low godly, eye thing was PIS

in conclusion: someone close this
 
Was this meant to be a Fun and Games thread?

If not, then city level is ridiculous downplay. While not 2-A, he's definitely Low 2-C. Bill's range was being restricted by the weirdness barrier in Gravity Falls and he needed Ford's help in taking it down, which is why he couldn't take over the universe.
 
tbh I always thought that it was weird that Ford knew something that Bill didn't

but again, Bill was heavily downplayed during the finale
 
JooCipher said:
>city level Bill
what

Bill one shotted Time Baby, who can devour time and controls Space Time

Shacktron is PIS

Law manip, casuality manip and physics manip are non combat applicable

Alex is confirmed to be the one that hosted the Bill Cipher AMA

Bill regenerated a physical form from his mind alone, hence low godly, eye thing was PIS

in conclusion: someone close this
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>When the Time Baby stated that he can control time space? And also that of "devour time" is not enough to qualify the Low 2-C tier.

>Why is PIS?

>Well, I think it's alright.

>When?

>Bill only's create a physical body, you need to prove me that Bill can regenerate from his mind that body.

>No U.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Was this meant to be a Fun and Games thread?
If not, then city level is ridiculous downplay. While not 2-A, he's definitely Low 2-C. Bill's range was being restricted by the weirdness barrier in Gravity Falls and he needed Ford's help in taking it down, which is why he couldn't take over the universe.
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Well he was restricted, but this doesn't proves that he can one shot the universe.

Also, as I say in the thread Time Baby only talks about a process that doesn't qualify for a combat.
 
Op is kinda right about that though

It's low 2-C via the removal and restriction of laws causing a chain reaction

That's more of a range feat than an ap feat
 
Bill gets his Low 2-C mostly via universal control of space time and casually one shotting Time Baby(who is supposed to be upgraded to Low 2-C) via pointing at him

also, why is Bill's Supergenius intelligence not added yet? I thought that was agreed upon?
 
JooCipher said:
"A party that never ends with a host that never dies! No more restrictions! No more laws!"
Bill was going to remove the laws and restrictions of the universe, including the laws of time and space

he can affect time-space on a universal level

Low 2-C
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And how do you know that this can be applied to his AP?
Apart from that it would be more range than AP, apart from the fact that the use of law manip does not always serve to scale X level to Y character (and taking into account that sure Bill's law manip is incredibly limited).

And as you said before, his "law manip" is not applicable. apart from Bill in that moment wanted that Stanford tell him how to remove the law of magnitude, maybe he was exaggerating, and seeing his personality I see this probable.
 
Bill wasn't exaggeranting, he was explaining his end goal with 100% confidance that he could do that(keep in mind that he was plotted to do that for over 1 trillion years)

Controling Space-Time to a universal scale is Low 2-C(Bill's range was limited by the barrier)

and Bill can do that, so yea

Low 2-C Bill continues to exist
 
So apparently Bill's statement was "he would remake the universe". That could be low 2-C justification even if rewriting laws isn't.

Does he literally refer to remaking the universe tho, or just changing it through law manipulation?
 
JooCipher said:
Bill wasn't exaggeranting, he was explaining his end goal with 100% confidance that he could do that(keep in mind that he was plotted to do that for over 1 trillion years)
Controling Space-Time to a universal scale is Low 2-C(Bill's range was limited by the barrier)

and Bill can do that, so yea

Low 2-C Bill continues to exist
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>Why not?? Bill is a born manipulator and cheater, he would do anything to obtain his objectives, and that about he was 100% confidance that he can do it does not affirm that he can do it, it is only a supposition of him.

>And when he do that?? His """space-time control""" it just only by a so weakling and limited law manipulation, I don't see how this give him the Low 2-C tier, it's like this:

X character can create a law that consists if someone chose Z instead Y then another timeline is created where Y is chosen instead Z, and thanks to this law now exists 2 millions of timeline.

So X character is 2-B?? No, this is just only the reaction of his law, and it's what Bill's make with his supposedly Law Manip.

So yeah his Universe+ it's inaccurate.

Bte you didn't answered me my other questions v;
 
Time Baby is going to get upgraded to Low 2-C btw

also: "I ASK YOU WHY SHOULD TIME ONLY MOVE FORWARD WHY MUST CAUSE PRECEDE EFFECT WHO VOTED ON THE LAWS OF PHYSICS RULES ARE PERVERSIONS AGAINST ALL WILL THAT'S WHY IM ABOUT TO REWRITE THE WHOLE SYSTEM BUDDY AND NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP ME "

this seems pretty confident
 
Andytrenom said:
So apparently Bill's statement was "he would remake the universe". That could be low 2-C justification even if rewriting laws isn't.
Does he literally refer to remaking the universe tho, or just changing it through law manipulation?
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Bill only's says "A party that never ends with a host that never dies! No more restrictions! No more laws!".

And maybe you will know this is not enough to say that he can destroy the universe.

Also, this can refer about he will warp entire zones of the universe, but this just only will be by a chain reaction that will destroy the universe.

So yeah he likely can destroy the universe, but only this will be possible if he continues his weirdness (as Time Baby state) or in other words, by a chain reaction that is not applicable to combat.
 
to quote from Shadow's thread

"Time Baby is only referring to the universe. He refers to Bill's rip in "this dimension", which would make sense for the "fabric of existence" to be the universe's space-time continuum (a multiverse isn't a fabric after all). Additionally, here, Bill says "finally your dimension will be free", which only implies Bill threatening the universe."

"In conclusion, Bill is Low 2-C, and only that because the context doesn't imply that he can actually bust the multiverse in one go, but rather he's a threat to it because he has the ability to travel to different universes and use his reality warping shenanigans to mess around with them."
 
JooCipher said:
Time Baby is going to get upgraded to Low 2-C btw
also: "I ASK YOU WHY SHOULD TIME ONLY MOVE FORWARD WHY MUST CAUSE PRECEDE EFFECT WHO VOTED ON THE LAWS OF PHYSICS RULES ARE PERVERSIONS AGAINST ALL WILL THAT'S WHY IM ABOUT TO REWRITE THE WHOLE SYSTEM BUDDY AND NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP ME "

this seems pretty confident
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>Show me one, at least one of the Time Baby Low 2-C feats.

>And how this can help to support at least the 3-A of Bill?? If this is true (btw you didn't prove me that the Reddit account is canon to the serie) it will be only Law Manip, not an AP feat.

Also, the Law Manip is not applicable to Bill alright???
 
I watched the video, he said "I'll remake a fun world, a better world". I am inclined to think world means universe in this context but I don't know much else regarding this.
 
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