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Goetia vs Lavos

Seriously though, now that I look at it, Goetia is partially a Lavos rip-off. The foundation for magic using a ancient spell-casting ruler in a plan to use humanity as fuel that needs to be fought across time and space? That's as blatant as it gets.
 
I mean, Nasu had plans for Goetia as early as Tsukuhime and Melty Blood, since they name drop one of his epithets ("|" of original sin) and passingly mention his plan. It is probably a coincidence, but he may have modified the original plan when inspired by Lavos
 
Anyway, in regards to this match, my understanding of Lavos is limited to the first game. As I mentioned above, most of Lavos' abilities are magic used by humans, albeit the origin of that magic. And Lavos' powernull (in this form at least) is just memory manipulation. For some reason every crt I make on that gets ignored.
 
If his abilities are magic that humans can use then the rings of solomon are fair game here rip, combine that with AAS countering type 3 acau by its very nature + Lavos lacking the proper immo to come back from it in his first key and we get a pretty dead space-tick.
 
The Rings shouldn't work on Lavos if he's in a similar situation of being the basis of modern magic in their respective worlds.
 
Sounds headcanon-y but I'll believe it

Ok so now that the rings are out, does Lavos possess notable resistances to mind, soul manip and BFR?
 
AAS kills Lavos across time, but there's nothing stopping alternate Lavos from replacing him.
 
Mind is debatable due to Masamune Chrono Cross stuff. Soul, probably not. BFR, most definitely.
 
<Checks Range

<Goetia's abilities aren't even universal

He can't kill All Lavos across every timeline, Goetia gets stomped
 
The real cal howard said:
Mind is debatable due to Masamune Chrono Cross stuff. Soul, probably not. BFR, most definitely.
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I see.

In that case, whether Lavos can resist Goetia's glare is debatable as well. If he can't then the fight pretty much ends there.
 
Schnee One said:
<Checks Range
<Goetia's abilities aren't even universal

He can't kill All Lavos across every timeline, Goetia gets stomped
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His clairvoyance already sees all possible futures, and considering how AAS is made out to be his ultimate ability it wouldn't make sense for it to be on a dramatically lesser scale than clairvoyance.

+ it was directly stated to be powered by all the possibilities of history so yeah
 
Yes

But the range means he can't affect them

Unless you can tell me he can use AAS on the entire Multiverse which would make him 2A,
 
He can't directly nuke the multiverse, he just nukes the earth across the multiverse and all of time. It's a planet level attack with 4D range.
 
The time tree can't hold infinite timeline. It can pontentialy be 2B range for destroying the quantom timelock.
 
Go and play Fate/Extella Umbral Star. It was stated there that if the universe create a lot of timeline it would consume a huge amount of energy and end the universe.
 
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