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The Flames Of Hell support me. Limbo vs Accelerator

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Accelerator* makes a law saying Warframe is to OP of a verse for a low 6-B to probably be fine against a 4-B. I forgot he had law manipulation now
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
Aleister makes a law saying Warframe is to OP of a verse for a low 6-B to probably be fine against a 4-B.
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With how hard Limbo is to put down, he's fine even against way stronger than 4-B. xD
 
So Accel blasts Limbo into oblivion. He resurrects by operator and appears instantly back on the battlefield and turns Accel into information and calls it a day?

I don't see Accel winning unless he leads with law manipulation.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
So Accel blasts Limbo into oblivion. He resurrects by operator and appears instantly back on the battlefield and turns Accel into information and calls it a day?
I don't see Accel winning unless he leads with law manipulation.
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Depends, Limbo can just point and turn the space around him into rift, which will cause some knockback, shock and damage due to the dimensional swap, and proceed to dimensionally freezing everything inside the rift (the entire world/dimensions/universe of the rift). So for Accel to blast him, he'd have to be faster than Limbo pointing (also Limbo can resurrect by himself instantly, without the need for the operator to create a new clone from the damage Accel deals).

Depends on:

- How his lawhax works.

- What it can do

- How fast is it

- Does he open up with it (which im pretty sure he doesn't as from what i've heard he only did it once).
 
Has Accelerator's passive barrier deflected anything lightspeed or beyond? Because otherwise he's just killed when Limbo fires Glaxion, Synthesis Scanners while summoning specters and going invisible is also a viable strategy.

Limbo simply resurrects because of Oro, unless we assume Accelerator can deduct its properties, the Operator doesn't have to send a new one.

Also, I've noticed this is a common thing in these threads, but why are we treating as if sending another Warframe is instant? They still need to be rebuilt, which takes days to do, the only time this wasn't the case was with Excalibur Umbra, because it was a story driven quest and the game speeds this process up for those.
 
Does Limbo have any Vectorless attacks or any other way to get past Accelerators 1-C shield?
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
so what is it that gives Limbo passive resurrection?
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Oro, the energy that all beings touched by the Void possess, in this case allowing the Warframes to re-stabilize through the Revive System.

Stalker was able to permanently kill one because other Void-touched beings can absorb Oro.
 
I think he has.

Indeed.

Who ever said that? No one said the next limbo will be coming up instantly. The time is just still fair game by our rules (also remember that the operator doesn't always have to build. Having several copies is always possible same for rushing.
 
A build of one takes 3 days, incap. is determined after a day.

Rushing is done through a paid-currency that isn't necessarily present in lore.

Assuming multiple copies is fine, but they are so hard to kill it's hard to assume the Operator has found the need.
 
Yeah but the operator can fight during those days. So it's not incap worthy.

Building time is as much lore as rushing is. Both are game mechanics, both the time and rushing process.

There is still no reason to assume they only have 1.
 
The Operator fighting isn't Limbo fighting.

Not really, there are events such as removing the Ascaris that required a minute of time, primarily to listen to Vor ramble as you crafted it. Building times do exist.

Rushing is never remarked on, as Platinum isn't mentioned. The system runs on credits after all.

I said it was fine, but saying there is more reason to assume having multiple compared to one is wrong, that's why specters exist, aside from what I already said.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
So Accel blasts Limbo into oblivion. He resurrects by operator and appears instantly back on the battlefield and turns Accel into information and calls it a day?
I don't see Accel winning unless he leads with law manipulation.
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it's limited law manipulation, we still don't know the effect it has fully
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Blackcurrant91 said:
Does Limbo have anyway to incap/bypass reflection?
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Hmm take your pic:
Deconstruction, Absorption, Paradoxing out of existence, Pseudo-Time Stop, BFR and more
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Absorption won't work. Paradoxing, probably. What even is Pseudo-Time Stop, BFR no, deconstruction depends on the mechanic itself

I'm not knowledgeable on Warframe but with all those immortalities along I'm gonna go with Accel can't put this thing down in the first place.
 
Hmm you sure Absorption won't work. I mean said absorption happens after the being has been deconstructed into literal data/information. Is there any proof that the shield exists even when it is broken down?

Deconstruction is literally turning it from normal into data or information.

Pseudo-Time Stop is besically stoping time, but not rly. More like it freezes anything that's inside the rift through dimensional rippining. It's a bit weird, but what we know is that everything stops except for time itself, time still goes on, everything else doesn't (except for Limbo ofc).

BFR, yes. BFR in this case it's a little weird, as rift and reality overlap. So the rift is a separate plane of existence, but the world is just the same, and how the BFR works, is sending the space around the opponent (and the opponent along with it as well) into the rift. But in this case it's not a vector as there is no direction, it's the same place if you will, just a different plane. Or he can just go like "*** it" and just put a cataclysm on him (which basically means spawn rift on him).

About the immortalities, ikr. xD
 
Malox1696 said:
if u mean this can erase opponents via Cataclysm, Stasis,'Synthesis Scanners':
they all work through vector or energy, so all reflectable
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No...none of them work through vector. Not all energy i vectorial, and the energy is used as a fuel, not as a literal weapon. Energy in this case is to Limbo what food is for you.
 
^

Accel can basically control and vector any energy including conceptional energy but either way Limbo seems basically impossible to kill. Accel can stop the regen since it's only mid but that is about it.
 
the shield is not a real shield, it's just an area (around 1 cm from his skin) where he can alter reality, passively anything that enter the area and is not in his mental filter gets reflected back

teleportation does not work on accel (blocks up to 11d) so it would not work as it would try to affect the space he is already affecting with his own reality warping
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Hmm you sure Absorption won't work. I mean said absorption happens after the being has been deconstructed into literal data/information. Is there any proof that the shield exists even when it is broken down?
Deconstruction is literally turning it from normal into data or information.

Pseudo-Time Stop is besically stoping time, but not rly. More like it freezes anything that's inside the rift through dimensional rippining. It's a bit weird, but what we know is that everything stops except for time itself, time still goes on, everything else doesn't (except for Limbo ofc).

BFR, yes. BFR in this case it's a little weird, as rift and reality overlap. So the rift is a separate plane of existence, but the world is just the same, and how the BFR works, is sending the space around the opponent (and the opponent along with it as well) into the rift. But in this case it's not a vector as there is no direction, it's the same place if you will, just a different plane. Or he can just go like "*** it" and just put a cataclysm on him (which basically means spawn rift on him).

About the immortalities, ikr. xD
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Absorbtion in general doesn't work. I don't think you can turn his AIM field into data whatsoever because it's emitted by his brain to begin with so even if you did, it'd just come immediately right back. You'd have to delete his brain for that technically. So deconstruction in that matter may not work. I mean it might work on /him/ but you can't do it to his field. If that's the nature of the BFR then it'd probably work. Teleporting the space around him would carry him with it, but you can't BFR him in itself. Space carrying, yes. Himself, no.

Psuedo time-stop works then.
 
Also even if it's vectorless, for context, Accel can add vectors to them anyways so long as he understands it, even on vectorless conceptual energy. But from what it seems that doesn't have many uses right now for this fight because...like, this guy can't die to Accel's means. But I have no frame of reference for Warframe so I may be overlooking flaws in Limbo's char.
 
Well the 11D shield is dependant on the 3D Accel. For the shield to stop absorption there would need to be proof that the shield does still exist when everything that makes up Accelerator is turned into computer information.

Deconstruction still works it doesn't have vectors.

Ok so, BFR works. Time stop works. Glad we reached some kind of conclusion here.

But 1 more question, does Accel have any resistance to any of the following:

Body Puppetry, Mind Manipulation, Corruption, Soul Manipulation?
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Well the 11D shield is dependant on the 3D Accel. For the shield to stop absorption there would need to be proof that the shield does still exist when everything that makes up Accelerator is turned into computer information.
Deconstruction still works it doesn't have vectors.

Ok so, BFR works. Time stop works. Glad we reached some kind of conclusion here.

But 1 more question, does Accel have any resistance to any of the following:

Body Puppetry, Mind Manipulation, Corruption, Soul Manipulation?
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Mind, yes. Corruption, depends on the nature if it's directional or not. I'd say probably if it doesn't gimp him right away, he'll notice what's happening and reflect it. Soul, no, but again it's mechanic dependant on direction. Body Puppetry, if it requires a directional link, yes. You can probably deconstruct his body but like I said, you are NOT deconstructing his field ever regardless because it's constantly emitted from him. If you erase the field it's just going to come back right away regardless of what you 'deconstruct' unless it's his brain.
 
If a vectorless attack is attacking him, he can counter it if it doesn't one-shot him, more or less. He has to take it in and analyze it to fight against it and apply vectors to it, for frame of reference. But that's null if...you know, it immediately kills him.
 
EmperorDoom25 said:
What are Accel's wincons here?
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Hmm i believe he could 1 shot the operator if he uses law manipulation or if he just obliterates the operator beyond regen capacity (example atomizing him or any large scale destruction). But he needs knowledge on the operator for that.
 
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