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Nasuverse General Discussion Board 19

"Ascension is reform to make 1 stronger !"

"That form is the "Origin of all your concepts ."

"That form of you is the most powerful ."

This is Stheno explaining final ascensions. That form of the servant is them at their most powerful. Their peak of power. That is how it is sounding to me. I don't see how Gilgamesh, and Tamamo no maes final ascension would be weaker than their CCC counterpart. (Leaving out the appearence part.)

Full length context is here in this imgur album.
 
Because they were artifically strengthed by the Mystic Codes within the Moon Cell during CCC, it's not their own personal strength.
 
Also, why are Servants in the MH range of speed, i mean, the "reaction time" of Proto Saber countering the Star of Destruction can't really be used because in the video it clearly detonated (Why didn't the ones that made the calc noticed something so obvious???!!!) and the calc of Enkidu's speed can't be used because he transform himself into a beam of light (as described by the souces, so it's not his physical body moving at that speed) and also Saber could barely react in time to Hrunting arrows (fired by Emiya) that moved at Mach 10 at over 4 kilometers of distance

-bump-

edit: also Gae Bolg is stated to be moving at Mach 2
 
Fate Strange Fake. Gilgamesh Gate of Babylon was stated to move at the speed of lightening. We can scale from there.
 
TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:
Fate Strange Fake. Gilgamesh Gate of Babylon was stated to move at the speed of lightening. We can scale from there.
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no, we do not use lightning speed unless is proven to be REAL lightning (in this case is a mana generated lightning so, no)

Wait a bit and i'll post the scans
 
I dont remember the star of destruction exploding before it was countered

If enkidu transforms himself and gets a speed boost from it yeah it can be used
 
So what I'm seeing is

He dodges the tracer arrow then enki fires off

Enki comes down to the city and Arthur is not hit because he already reacted to it then the explosion happens
 
No, he dodges the tracer arrow, Enki falls, it detonates above the building, then it summons a massive magic circle that covers the city, after that the tsunami is summoned and then he uses excalibur. he did not react to the main spear. Also the tsunami is described to take a few seconds to completely cover the city, not instantly
 
look again for Fate/Prototype, when the true Enki fallen unto the battlefield, Arthur didn't counter it, it detonated and summoned the Tsunami and then he used Ekusucariba Puroto.

As for Enkidu Ôûá Enuma Elish: O Humans, Let Us Restrain The Gods Above Rank: A++
Type: Anti-Purge Noble Phantasm
Range: 0~999
Maximum Targets: 1000 People
Ability of Enkidu's to transform its own body into a Divine Construct.
The Counter Forces known as Alaya and Gaia's powers flow into a keystone made of light. Then giant amounts of energy are transformed into a form that the world can recognize and pierces the opponent in one hit. In response to things that threaten the destruction of the planet or humanity, the power is increased.

it's a beam like excalibur, not himself moving that fast
 
The only servants that had actually shown speed feats besides speculation that is massively wanked is Ishtar beaking the sound barrier, Emiya reacting to thrown Gae Bolg (in Fate Stay Night was stated to move around Mach 2), saber having a hard time when deflecting hrunting arrows at 4 kilometers (They were stated to move at Mach 10), Pegasus moving at 500 mph (as travel speed, not attacks)

Edit: And alcides' arrows moving 20 kilometers in less than 5 seconds
 
The thing is he is turning himself into the light that alaya powers up so he is moving that fast he is the beam he's not shooting the beam
 
They are all froms statements from the direct source material instead of using very bad calcs, for example, how do you want to use Enuma Elish speed to scaling to the servants?, he transforms his body into a typhoon of mana that takes the form of chains of light, that's not his main body moving at that speed

As for Enki, did you see Arthur dodging The Star of Destruction?
 
>Turns his body into light

>Its not his body tho

Pick one.

Also statements from the source material mean nothing if feats place them above said statements. And if we are gonna use statements, I guess lightspeed Servants is a thing.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
>Turns his body into light
>Its not his body tho

Pick one.

Also statements from the source material mean nothing if feats place them above said statements. And if we are gonna use statements, I guess lightspeed Servants is a thing.
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I mean it's not his normal speed, he transforms his body into mana and shoots himself as a spear

Edit: Also no, there are no Light Speed servants other than Nine Tails tamamo and Ship of light Gil (Nero and Emiya were just bullshit but ok xd), no, seriously, it has been stated that is imposible to move at lightspeed or above in the physical world and that the only place where is possible is in the Moon Cell because it's a cyberspace, and even then it's almost impossible and a suicide move at best
 
Escanor998 said:
I found something that would make up for servants' reaction speed, yay
Hrunting
they were at a distance of 4 kilometers
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This works to reaction speed because also in that timeframe Hrunting already crossed half of the distance

Also, this could work to get an idea of the range for servant's speed because in this state she should be faster than Cu
Mach 10 Arthur
 
In fate extella the 1st. It's stated that extella maneuvers would cause the servants to cross the entire surface of the moon, but spatial manipulation prevents that.

Edit: there is some substance. Excalibur is state by multiple media's to be a "light" and Emiya activates a projection before the clash.
 
"To an observer, it looks like a giant beam of light, but the attack's target point is only at the tip. It is the "ultimate slash" that cuts through everything in the "area" the light goes through. Its enormous power heats space around the tip, and as a result, it is interpreted as a wave of light that mows across the surface of the earth. One could also call it a directed energy weapon. Even if it is dodged, those in close proximity can still be temporarily distracted by its intensity."

Yes, light...

No, it accelerated Prana to a ridiculous level with her factor of the dragon and releases it as an energy slash that looks like a beam of light because it turns the surrouinding air into plasma due the heat

Noble Phantasm Excalibur: Sword of Promised Victory Rank: A++ÒÇÇÒÇÇType: Anti-Fortress Noble PhantasmÒÇÇÒÇÇRange: 1~99ÒÇÇÒÇÇMaximum Target: 1000 People
Excalibur.
Sword of light. Not a man-made weapon, but a Divine Construct forged by the planet. A Noble Phantasm that stand at the top of all holy swords.
A Noble Phantasm at the top of the category of holy swords.
A holy sword which transforms the owner's magical energy into "light", increasing its momentum due to the convergence and acceleration, and enable the use of magecraft of divine levels.

And here is implied that is not actually light, but something else

Ôûá Excalibur: Sword of Promised Victory Rank: A++
Type: Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm
Range: 2~3
Maximum number of targets: 1 perso
A sword of light. A weapon not made by man, but a god-made equipment forged by stars. A Noble Phantasm at the top of the category of holy swords. A holy sword which transforms the owner's magical energy into "light", increasing its momentum due to the convergence and acceleration, and enable the use of magecraft of divine levels.

And again

Noble Phantasms Sword of Promised Victory -- Excalibur Rank: A++ Type: Anti-fortress Noble Phantasm Range: 1-99 Maximum targets: 1000 persons
Even while blackened, Artoria's greatest power Excalibur is still potent. However, the sword is tainted an ominous black. Just as the fairies of the lake (Vivienne and Morgan) manifest as both good and evil, the holy sword has its own dark side. Still, its "character" as a holy sword is greatest. The function of converting the wielder's magical energy into light through the blade does not change, but the light is transformed into the same darkness of the blade.

The NP is the same, so, can you tell me how fast is a beam of darkness? (with the corruption we can confirm that is just mana)
 
> Described as a beam of light. "Directed energy weapon."


> Many statements if it being described as light.


Not light speed.....???
 
It's described as being "light" so, no, it heats the space around the blast so much that it turns the surrounding air into plasma and is interpreted as a beam of light (if it were a true light beam, it would be a continuous blast instead of just being the tip)
 
Argues Excalibur does not shoot light but provides three descriptions of Excalibur all saying it turns mana into light to shoot at the enemy. Someone help me understand this.
 
"To an observer, it looks like a giant beam of light, but the attack's target point is only at the tip. It is the "ultimate slash" that cuts through everything in the "area" the light goes through. Its enormous power heats space around the tip, and as a result, it is interpreted as a wave of light that mows across the surface of the earth. One could also call it a directed energy weapon. Even if it is dodged, those in close proximity can still be temporarily distracted by its intensity."

"A holy sword which transforms the owner's magical energy into "light""

"A holy sword which transforms the owner's magical energy into "light", increasing its momentum due to the convergence and acceleration, and enable the use of magecraft of divine levels."

All the mentions of it being light is with " ", it makes clear that is not light in the firt paragraph...
 
Excalibur is a "sword that amplifies", converting its user's magical energy into offensive power and releasing it. It is a weapon of directive energy that converts the magical energy of the wielder into light by accelerating it with her factor of the dragon, intensifying the kinetic energy by convergence and acceleration, allowing for the use of Divine Spirit-level thaumaturgy. It is an "ultimate killing technique" that releases light holding energy equaling to Artoria's total amount of magical energy from the tip of the blade once the sword is swung. To an observer, it looks like a giant beam of light, but the attack's target point is only at the tip. It is the "ultimate slash" that cuts through everything in the "area" the light goes through. Its enormous power heats space around the tip, and as a result, it is interpreted as a wave of light that mows across the surface of the earth. One could also call it a directed energy weapon. Even if it is dodged, those in close proximity can still be temporarily distracted by its intensity.

There are no "" in the text around light though this is the original text with no bolding or editing
 
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