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DC Profile Clean-up and Revisions Part 3

We are currently discussing what to do with The Writer, the Presence, Source, and Overvoid.
 
We had two previous discussion threads about the recent Justice League story in which the DC multiverse was referred to as 5-dimensional, and the Anti-Monitor and Monitor as 6-dimensional. Here is the other:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2777095
 
Anyway, as I mentioned there, The Thought Robot profile seems to link to a Lucifer scan as a basis for an infinite-dimensional multiverse, even though nothing of the sort was mentioned there, so that link should probably be removed.
 
So, The Monitor, the Anti-Monitor and the World Forger are superiors to Mr Mxy?
 
According to this latest story they are one dimension above him.
 
Anti-Monitor > Mr. Mxy was confirmed in the original Crisis on Infinite Earths.
 
Shouldn't the Monitor and the Anti-Monitor have a Low 1-C key then?
 
Yeah, we are discussing that at the moment. Even had a whole other thread about it earlier (Ant linked it above).
 
Mxyzptlk had not been established at his current level of power back then, and Johnny Thunder's Thunderbolt was not even considered to be 5-dimensional at the time.
 
Didn't that story-line have the Imps send another Imp to a seventh dimensional prison or something?
 
I am fine with Low 1-C Barbatos, Anti-Monitor and Monitor based on the latest story. I suppose that The Spectre would have to be scaled accordingly as well.
 
Antvasima said:
Mxyzptlk had not been established at his current level of power back then, and Johnny Thunder's Thunderbolt was not even considered to be 5-dimensional at the time.
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I see. Fair point.
 
Plus these three brother can re-form themself in the sixth dimension when they are destroyed. So, should they have Immortality Type 4?
 
That also is being discussed. Actually I think everyone agreed to Type 4 immortality already.
 
I agree with the relegation of DC to 1-C.

Even if there is this 28-dimensional mention,it never talked about space higher dimensions. So much so that a issue before that, Metron was traveling with William Willis,and they reached the dimensional limit of the multiverse, the source wall. And then it describes that William's three-dimensional mind could not comprehend a space of six dimensions: "A natural enough reaction. Your three-dimensional mind cannot begin to encompass the six-dimensional space through which we now travel."


It is not a question of being something recent, but this mention of Metron about the space of the wall of the source be 6d, already breaks the logic that Metron in the next chapter was talking about 28 higher dimensions. That is, since New Gods of 1995, we have information that the dimensional limit of the DC is only 6D.
 
Retcons...retcons everywhere.
 
I do think that the contradictory statements about size should warrant some overview of the verse. Maybe collect all the relevant statements, find out when they were made and which comic they came from. Then we can just find the most consistent version of the DCU.

Alternatively the 28-D quote could be talking about string dimensions rather than geometric ones. Which could explain some discrepancies.
 
Limiting DC to Low 1-C just because mentions of 6D is ridiculous for reasons Matt already pointed out. The Monitor Sphere has statements that are High 1-B. The Source similarly has 1-A statements. Grant Morrison's superstring theory cosmology is anywhere from 1-C to 1-B. Like Marvel, many writers throw around arbitrary numbers for dimensions, it makes most sense to accept 6D as a low ball and not the high end.
 
there are talks of 11, 180,000+ and infinite dimensions. I don't see why people are so fixated on this new contradictory scan.
 
It throws doubt about how high the DC cosmology goes more or less.
 
Inb4 "Mandrakk got so powerful by absorbing the 5-dimensional Bleed".
 
@Matthew

I don't notice any mention of the mutliverse itself being infinite-dimensional in this page (Referred to here).

@Sera

Well, the Monitor-Sphere was not explicitly referred to as infinite-dimensional. J.M. DeMatteis referred to infinite dimensions in a Deadman and a Larfleeze story.
 
It's not just that mention and the Justice League. Here on the DC channel are explaining about the map of Multiversity,and they say that all layers of reality (orrery of the Worlds, God sphere, limbo, and monitor sphere)all that layers are rotating through the fifth dimension, and not something bigger than that. As explained here in this official video of the Multiversity map: https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2014/08/18/the-map-of-the-multiverse

That is, the DC itself compacts that its multiverse is only 1-C. And they declared that the map of Multiversity was the future of DC, that is, from now on they want it to be that level.
 
The size of those multiverses aren't defined though (are they?).
 
Well, I am fine with if the DC multiverse remains infinite-dimensional. I am just uncertain if that is what Morrison intended. In addition, we should probably remove the Lucifer reference from the Thought Robot page.
 
Alonik said:
That is, the DC itself compacts that its multiverse is only 1-C. And they declared that the map of Multiversity was the future of DC, that is, from now on they want it to be that level.
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It's really not, the person explaining in that video is misquoting Multiversity itself. What is stated is that the Orrery of Worlds rotates through the 5th Dimension (Which is the Bleed bulk), not that the whole multiverse does.
 
Oh. How lovely, my (and others') speculation was correct.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
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It's really not, the person explaining in that video is misquoting Multiversity itself. What is stated is that the Orrery of Worlds rotates through the 5th Dimension (Which is the Bleed bulk), not that the whole multiverse does.
Whoever is explaining this is DC itself, this is an official video of DC Comics, and it's on her website. https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2014/08/18/the-map-of-the-multiverse

Basically, this is a text from DC itself, when you are saying that the presenter is wrong to read a script from DC, you are saying that the DC is wrong, and no matter what it pronounces about the multiverse itself?
 
The person narrating the DC Video on their youtube channel is wrong as what she says is directly contradicted by the comic itself, which states that only the Orrery of Worlds rotates through the 5th Dimension. Comicbook Company Interns and Social Media-tied employees are not the comic writers themselves and they can make mistakes.
 
Sera EX said:
Limiting DC to Low 1-C just because mentions of 6D is ridiculous for reasons Matt already pointed out. The Monitor Sphere has statements that are High 1-B. The Source similarly has 1-A statements. Grant Morrison's superstring theory cosmology is anywhere from 1-C to 1-B. Like Marvel, many writers throw around arbitrary numbers for dimensions, it makes most sense to accept 6D as a low ball and not the high end.
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This.
 
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