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The Problem with the Pocket Dimension Star Feats

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This was brought up by this and this threads.

In both threads it has been brought up that in a verse where is a stellar pocket reality feat, it should be proven if the dimension or star / stars or the entire structure [dimension + star or stars] are real, also the size of the overall dimension should be also be analyzed.

Verses that will be affected is all the ones that have a pocket dimension creation with one or many stars in them like Castlevania, Kid Icarus, Darkstalkers, Wario World, Zelda and many others.
 
They will be downgraded, for example Kid Icarus will be knocked back to 6-C+ if his dimension is not proven real, same for all the verses with similar feat.
 
>Creating a pocket dimension filled with stars isn't 4-A according to me

What? I said that creating the individual stars isn't enough, and that in the case of a pocket dimension you need evidence that those are stars and not only "I see luminous dots in the background"
 
Jackythejack said:
How do you go about proving a dimension is real?
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Statements, or people flying around it.

If someone can literally travel between two stars within the pocket dimension, obviously it's MSS sized
 
I mean for Kid Icarus the game itself states that Hades' Belly is a different dimension, and I believe that's used for the rating given to Pit so...does that work or would more have to be given
 
@Jack

I dunno about verse specific stuff, that requires a case by case evaluation (preferably from people knowledgeable about it).

I was mostly explaining the general rule
 
I know for Kid Icarus it's that it is another dimension and that it has stars in it. And that Hades shakes the realm. However, there is no other statement regarding it iirc.
 
I know many will disagree, but I believe that we should make a "Dimension Creation Feats" page. Similar to our Black-Hole, Void, Lightning and Light feats pages. I say this because, dimension creation feats are very common in fiction and are used in quite a lot of series for scaling Tier 3, 4 and 5 characters. Or at least detail this more on the Celestial Body Feats page.
 
I agree that some degree of proof should be established for background change type things.
 
I'd have to look into the game to see that. I don't think Pit ever talks about them but I could be wrong
 
I still think it's 4-A to create a realm with stars while creating stars in an existing realm is High 4-C.

But yeah we need proof that the dimension is real and created. Even something like a "This is a world he created" would be enough.

The only problem is when characters simply say, raise their hand, a bright light shows up and then he and the other character are in another realm... Yeah, just looking at that and assuming Dimension Creation is pretty bad.

See Devil May Cry for that issue.
 
I think we shouldn't consider random dots in the sky to be stars unless epxlicitly stated. extraordinary stuff extraordinary evidence yadda yadda.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
I know many will disagree, but I believe that we should make a "Dimension Creation Feats" page. Similar to our Black-Hole, Void, Lightning and Light feats pages. I say this because, dimenison creation feats are very common in fiction and are used in quite a lot of series for scaling Tier 3, 4 and 5 characters. Or at least detail this more on the Celestial Body Feats page.
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Hey, how about creating a page for "Special cases for feats" or something like that to lump many of these pages in a single one? Before we start having over five "special feat case type" pages.
 
Can we not make our standards even more needlessly strict?

I understand the need for statements regarding the creation of a pocket dimension (in fact, I'm pretty sure we already do this), but assuming that something clearly meant to be star to just be "a dot in the sky" and ignoring it is pushing it.

Unless we have some reasons to think the stars would be illusory, I don't think that assuming stars in those to be fake to be a good default assumption.
 
I mean it is a bit awkward to have the character, especially those who display strong magic/reality warping, teleporting to an already-existing realm that was kinda always there instead of creating it from scratch, which is why most people tend to assume creation instead of teleportation. So I kinda understand why people think that.

But this depends too much on context to apply an automatic standard to, imo.
 
Ageeing with Saikou wholeheartedly. The "dots in the star" bit is really no different than "the stars are artifical light sources bit".

Assuming either of these conclusions takes even more assumptions and leaps in logic than just simply assuming they're stars, which the "dots" are supposed to be represenative of in the first place.

The standard should be they are accepted as stars first and foremost unless something explicity gives evidence against them being stars.
 
My personal reasoning for assuming that they're not stars until proven otherwise is because of the fact that a character suddenly being able to do that leads to a massive tier jump compared to if they're illusions.

E.g. if a verse full of 8-B feats has a pocket dimension being created by one character that looks like it's full of stars, we should make absolutely sure that the feat is legitimate before shifting the whole verse upwards. A feat that is so far beyond how the series presents itself otherwise should be treated with utmost scrutiny.
 
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