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MCU Sorcerers Downgrade

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This was brought up before, yet the thread went dead.

We are not certain it was a storm or not. It is implied that the witch covered the area in "darkness", and Wong and the others defeated him with light magic. A swirling mass of black does not mean a cloud. I know Matthew disagrees but his argument is basically "it looks like a cloud and it is unless proven otherwise".

It is also likely that sorcerers do not consider Ultron threats as they can finish them with magic. Just like BFRing Cull Obsidian with a portal. Though there is this thing called durability.

I suggest we downgrade them to either "Unknown" or 7-A.
 
Ah so this's not about the Ancient One's silly 5-A rank? Ok.

Agreed on the Ultron part, the context was "we don't care about this type of threats" not "we are above it".

Not sure about the other thing.
 
Thanks Matt.

(I'm also suspicious about how she scales to all of Strange's powers when he had time manip with him and only used precog in IW as something new... But I will decide to ignore that.)
 
Makes sense. Beyond that, what have the sorcerers done besides the cracking the ground thing Kaecillus did?
 
Then... they have what? Building level AP? They surely don't scale to Asgardians and the like due to lacking feats of damaging beings on that level.

The only contesting ones are Strange's Crimson Bands, the windstorm he used to clear the city of fog, and his shields holding up against Dormammu (which, I very much think is an outlier).
 
I can get the article. But they actually mention this in Inifnity War; Iron Man asks why he hasn't helped against past enemies, so Strange states that he's been "protecting your reality."

Edit: Article.
 
This is nothing. It aims to what Strange did in his movie with Dormammu, but Strange himself or others aren't that strong at all.
 
It probably is, tbh.

The stuff where they crack the ground was also done in the mirror dimension, meaning they were amped.

Speaking about the Ancient one, didn't she fall off a skyscraper after getting stabbed? She was still alive and intact after, iirc. This would be solid 9-B.
 
So which profiles need to have their statistics changed, and to what?
 
Doctor Strange (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Ancient One (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Wong (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Kaecilius (Marvel Cinematic Universe)


And the Unknown, likely/possibly 7-A should do.
 
Tough, to be honest, the whole thing about "there won't be a bank to rob" logic they use for not caring about those crimes doesn't hold up with Ultron, and one could easily say that they weren't awere before it was taken care of, with a nice little bit of PIS so that the plot can go on unperturbed.

Also, did we get a consensus on 5-A strange? I stopped following after a bit, but I know that he never blocked a blast, but merely bfr'd it into a poket dimension. And din't the blackhole can transformed into butterflies? Not really an AP feat there.

And the AP reasoning isn't much better, sine restraining Thanos himself isn't that impressive (not on a 5-A scale), Mirror dimension is bfr and it failed against the 5-A stone, and the blast used to break out of the whips was not 5-A (Obviously, after all, that would make Strange 5-A physically since his body was hit).


Regardless on what was agreed on, better reasoning would be needed.
 
I find 5-A Strange really off. He never has a single 5-A feat and the only feats involving 5-A characters/objects involves his magic being broken easily or BFR.
 
I am inclined to agree that it seems exaggerated.
 
It only pushed him that far and not more because he can fly. He noticeably stopped abruptly upon his cloak spreading outwards.
 
ByAsura said:
I remember in the old thread that he was supposed to be High 6-B, and 5-A (such as forcing Thanos to use two stones) with certain spells rather than not 5-A at all.
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Which spell was that?
 
The previous thread suggested that Iron Man's durability and Strange's AP get downgraded to just High 6-B since the power stone had varable power (either from Thanos controlling it or the stone reacting to the size of the target).
 
Just as a note, the thread didn't reach a conclusion before it was abandoned. I was just listing what the main downgrade point was about.
 
Are we really gonna ignore the statement of not seeing Ultron as a threat?

I mean, yes, he can defeat him with hax, but I highly that was the intention of the statement. They clearly had the intention to show how powerful Strange and the MoMA (weird acronym) are.
 
About his scaling in IW, he definitely is High 6-B, and about the 5-A rating, maybe he is with certain spells/hax, but yeah, most of his feats are just High 6-B
 
I think Strange has feats to support High 6-B AP and Durability with magic. His only 5-A interaction involved BFR with the mirror dimension, which isn't really a AP feat.
 
The Mirror Portal works by shifting the target into an alternate dimension. How isn't it BFR.
 
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