MCU Doctor Strange 8-C Downgrade

[Fastestthingalive50]

This one is pretty simple. Up until recently, we scaled Post-Blip Doctor Strange (and those who scale to him) to 8-C, due to both surviving strikes from the Lizard and surviving a Pumpkin Bomb from the Green Goblin. However, with the recent nuking of all cross-scaling from No Way Home, these feats are no longer valid. Thus, we should scale Post-Blip Strange, Sorcerer Supreme Wong, and Shuma-Gorath Gargantos to 9-B, as we do with Strange's second key.

TLDR: Everyone who scales to Post-Blip Strange will be downgraded to 9-B, due to this feat from What-If?

 

[Dalesean027]

That would actually need a recalc since we don't default to 20PSI anymore but otherwise this is fine

 

[Jason_Courne]

The downgrade doesn't really make sense considering Lizard and Goblin's former 8-C rating came from the MCU, so it wasn't crossover scaling

I'd just reword it to Strange scaling to people comparable to MCU Peter, and ignore the implications this has for the original Sony movies

 

[Dalesean027]

The downgrade doesn't really make sense considering Lizard and Goblin's former 8-C rating came from the MCU, so it wasn't crossover scaling

I'd just reword it to Strange scaling to people comparable to MCU Peter, and ignore the implications this has for the original Sony movies

The Raimi movie had its own 8-C feats and strange was scaling from the pumpkin bomb I believe, Lizard on the other hand didn't have anything tier 8 on his own but if you can get a more concrete justification proposal I'd be fine with that still too

 

[IDK3465]

I really do think we should've just made MCU keys for all the crossover characters to avoid confusing/contradictory scaling like this, but oh well

 

[Just_Butchering]

The Raimi movie had its own 8-C feats and strange was scaling from the pumpkin bomb I believe, Lizard on the other hand didn't have anything tier 8 on his own but if you can get a more concrete justification proposal I'd be fine with that still too

Strange withstood attacks from Lizard and the pumpkin bomb, both which hurt the 8-C MCU Spider-Man

 

[Dalesean027]

I really do think we should've just made MCU keys for all the crossover characters to avoid confusing/contradictory scaling like this, but oh well

Real

Strange withstood attacks from Lizard and the pumpkin bomb, both which hurt the 8-C MCU Spider-Man

Then that should be fine with just rewording it to that

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I really do think we should've just made MCU keys for all the crossover characters to avoid confusing/contradictory scaling like this, but oh well

Plus accepting that some crossovers are more consequential than others

 

[Lonkitt]

Strange withstood attacks from Lizard and the pumpkin bomb, both which hurt the 8-C MCU Spider-Man

Nah, the Pumpkin Bomb was something MCU Spidey upscaled given he took it point-blank while in a weakened state. Funnily enough, Strange no-sold the bomb as well

Lizard did hurt Peter tho and Strange didn't die when attacked by Lizard, so that's how the scaling went

Yeah, the Strange stonks are going WAY down now

 

[Just_Butchering]

Since we happen to be on the topic of 8-C Strange. Why does his first key scale to 8-C with Magic? All I could find was circular chain scaling

 

[Dinobot1996]

Since we happen to be on the topic of 8-C Strange. Why does his first key scale to 8-C with Magic? All I could find was circular chain scaling

I can only assume it was based on the Ancient One very casually destroying Chitauri Chariots, which is mentioned on her profile. Not sure what else it could be from.

 

[IDK3465]

I just realized, wouldn't it be important to add a note in all the profiles stating why cross-scaling isn't allowed? That way, we won't have people in the future trying to make CRTs scaling MCU Spidey to Rami or Amazing Spidey?

 

[Dalesean027]

I just realized, wouldn't it be important to add a note in all the profiles stating why cross-scaling isn't allowed? That way, we won't have people in the future trying to scale MCU Spidey to Rami or Amazing Spidey?

Its on the explanation section of the verse page but yeah it should probably be on profiles too

 

[IDK3465]

Its on the explanation section of the verse page but yeah it should probably be on profiles too

Ah, I must've missed that, thanks. But, yeah, it definitely should be on the Spider-Man profiles, as well as all the folks that show up in D&W, so that there's no confusion (speaking of which, how the hell are we gonna handle D&W Wolverine? I mean, he technically originated from the MCU and not the FOX verse, and I'm 90% certain he'll show up later on, so do we just... not scale him to Deadpool or like?)

 

[Dinobot1996]

I mean, it's not like D&W Wolverine had a previous cinematic portrayal of speed and power to be contradicted. If a character introduced in a Deadpool movie is consistently shown to be comparable to Deadpool, I don't see why the scaling wouldn't be considered solid, considering Ryan Reynolds was still involved in writing and producing Deadpool & Wolverine as he was with the previous movies.

 

[IDK3465]

I mean, it's not like D&W Wolverine had a previous cinematic portrayal of speed and power to be contradicted. If a character introduced in a Deadpool movie is consistently shown to be comparable to Deadpool, I don't see why the scaling wouldn't be considered solid, considering Ryan Reynolds was still involved in writing and producing Deadpool & Wolverine as he was with the previous movies.

I suppose that makes sense, yeah (wait, since the movie's still intended to be a direct sequel to the Deadpool films and is written by the same guys, wouldn't the scaling between FOX characters and other FOX characters still be fine?)

 

[Dinobot1996]

The 8-A+ rating for Deadpool's adamantium katanas and Wolverine's claws hasn't been removed, so I assume scaling within the X-Men franchise is still fine in that case.

 

[Dalesean027]

Ik I didn't touch it since idk the deal there with X-Men but cross scaling is axed for Sony and Fox

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Sorry for the wait, everyone.

Strange withstood attacks from Lizard and the pumpkin bomb, both which hurt the 8-C MCU Spider-Man

We don't see the fight at hand, though, so we don't know what kind of attacks these were, or if they were even directly done by the Lizard's physical strength. This would only warrant a "possibly" rating, at most, but it also wouldn't scale to AP, as the fights with Mordo don't show much physical strength.

 

[The_Renegade_Slugger]

Agree with Jason Corns notion