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Gildarts vs Issei

Crash is basically high level hax power nullification, Though been a while on what Issei did
 
It's matter that which type of power nullification issie resist, he didn't have immunity to power nullification, gildarts can destroy everything, even intangible things(like natsu dragin roar, or magic attacks) hence that's how his nullifictaion works
 
The power nullification Issei resisted was Rizevim's Sacred Gear canceller, which nullifies everything related to Sacred Gears such as Issei's Boosted Gear, which is the source of most of his relevant abilities. Functions, attacks , effects, all disappear instantly and without a trace when Rizevim touches them or they touch Rizevim. It also cancels other power sources so long as they are manifesting through the Sacred Gear, such as Gasper's Balor powers.

In Diabolos Dragon God, however, Issei has something like a conceptual Infinity effect which prevents his attacks and so on from being nullified or defended against through something that is not straight AP advantage (going by Apophis' fight) or enough durability, though the attacks can still be avoided. Rizevim's canceller, which previously undid Issei's attacks and armor like nothing, didn't do anything against Diabolos Dragon God.
 
But that is the thing, it is not just simple power nullification, it is nullification is disassembly magic. He can even nullify black holes which are described as infinity Gravity wells
 
Crash isn't just Power Null tho, it's also Destroying things, while Gildarts won't be able to just null issei's abilities, he will be able to blow him up and damage him with pure AP
 
Right so they're roughly comparable with Gildarts at 500 gigatons and Issei starting off at 600 gigatons. Once the match starts, Issei will start Boosting and then as they fight Issei's going to continue to get stronger and then he'll defeat Gildarts with a big AP advantage.
 
@CNBA3 I don't get the point of comparison you're trying to draw here. Apophis's darkness was also "not just simple power nullification" and DxDG's attacks went through without issue.

Also, a magic black hole is not necessarily the same as a real black hole (in this case they don't seem nearly the same) or else Fairy Tail characters would be star level of they could counter that, which I don't see.

@DragonEmperor23 Issei has never shown the ability to boost in either DxD form.

Also everyone is forgetting to account for how wyverns would work in this situation.
 
That is why the black hole is unknown level, it is described as a limitless gravity well, it stretches matter like real black holes do, and is not physically interacted. And was only able to be destroyed with high level hax
 
Issei could just dodge. It's also possible the fight ends before he uses it. Each Boost multiplies Issei's Power by two and he can Boost multiple times in one go.
 
@CNBA3 If we go by descriptions then Regulus Nemea, whom DxDG is immensely superior to, can split the world in half in one swing. Descriptions are not really a good way to go about this since they can be embelished or hyperbole. Vortex abilities in general stretch matter too, and something like a real black hole wouldn't be able to exist on a planet for logical reasons, due to the levels of gravity required to prevent even light from escaping.

Also, disassembly magic requires touch, as far as I know. Issei can use wyverns to redirect and boost his attacks for omnidirectional assaults such as with Euclid, which would represent a hassle for abilities that need hand contact.

@DragonEmperor23 As I said, Issei has never shown the ability to Boost in either DxD form. It's likely he would get killed by such a power boost.
 
Eh, why is dissasembly being brought up? I know it could dissassemble Issei's attacks and all that jazz, but I was under the understanding Crash was his main way of power nullification via cracking magic and nullifying it's effects.
 
It is not just description though, we see matter stretch like how real black holes do. It does not physically interact with matter. Vortex is mostly just spatial manipulation though, and that is of a different can of worms, and there were no vortex magic in FT though as far as I know. This is gravity manipulation, well Black Holes can be defined by either mass or size, though that is why it is unknown in tier.

Gildarts does not have to touch either magic nor people for disassembly to work, as Natsu's was effected just inches away from Gildarts.
 
If it's unknown in tier then I don't see how you can use that feat as a comparison here, it's an unreliable measurement after all.

On Disassembly Magic, from the description both in Gildarts' page and on the Fairy Tail wiki: "Disassembly Magic is a Caster-Type Magic that creates a net-like pattern which runs straight through whatever it touches, regardless of its tangibility. "
 
I'd like an actual scan of dissasembly being used on magic, because again, Crash was what I thought he mainly uses to destroy and nullify other magic, not Dissasembly.

Considering it's even in the description of Crash.
 
@CNBA3 My mistake, I misread the description. Anyhow, what do you mean "it is just what it is"? If it's gravity manip then even Rossweisse has been shown to bear with it adequately, let alone DxDG Issei who is immensely superior. So Crash dealing with gravity manip does not really offer any valid comparison here.

If the Disassembly Magic still has to come out of his hands then how will he deal with the omnidirectional assault I mentioned earlier? Like what he did with Euclid.
 
What I meant is what it shows or capable of, from what I saw with gravity jail, Rossweisse seemed to have struggled with it, but Gildarts was unaffected by the gravitational change, but I cannot find the full fight to say that about Rossweisse. but what you said is especially effect against those that requires hand contact, which Gildarts does not need to do. B
 
The issue isn't that it requires physical contact, it's that when it works, Sacred Gears do not work and even the source of their power shuts off, but Issei didn't care about this.
 
He can't use it as much as he does normally, but he did mention that he applied Boost and Penetrate to both Ascalon.

As for Rossweisse, she is not even close to BxB Issei's strength in terms of physicality.
 
Wait... Actually, why would Crush be able to overcome penetrate? It shouldn't.

"Defense Break(Can instantly bypass and penetrate through any defensive ability that would stop his attacks from hitting his targets directly)."
 
@CNBA3 He does need to shoot the magic out of his hands, which is a specific area that does not necessarily cover for an omnidirectional assault.

There's also the issue of whether Issei's wyverns can Divide and/or Reflect Crash or Disassembly.

@Burning He did transfer on them, but he did not Boost himself as far as I know. Sorta like how Vali cannot directly halve God-class and above but can halve their aura attacks and such to an extent.
 
Remind me if I am wrong, but didn't Vali and Issei divide attacks without touching them? Wasn't it the same for the Wiverns? Then it should be entirely possible.
 
Yes, that's the case. Vali could halve Loki's attacks without touching them (this is limited to aura attacks, magic, etc. He can't directly halve someone without touch) and Issei's wyverns could halve Euclid's stronger attacks that couldn't be reflected at first.
 
Crush does not need physical contact though, but he can use it for defensive as well, this be able to protect him in areas, even deflect attacks by pushing them back. It has high level hax capabilities
 
Crush itself does need contact, and it's entirely possible Penetrate lets his attacks go right through as it lets him bypass any defensive ability that may stop him from hitting his enemy.

Even worse, I don't see anything in Gildarts that could stop Issei's "unstoppable flames" that can't be put off and can cover an area as big as an island.
 
Where was it shown that it requires contact, because Natsu's magic, Bluenote's magic, he did not even need to touch them to effect them. Even Natsu's flames can never burn out and Gildarts managed to effect them
 
@CNBA3 No one is saying it needs contact anymore. He said that since it doesn't need contact, then Penetrate does well enough to pierce through it. And I am saying that even if it doesn't need contact then an omnidirectional assault is still troublesome.

For example, say that you can shoot beams from your hands that can block bullets, but what if those bullets from from around you in 360? Do you think you can block them all?
 
Lancelot is saying otherwise, but it is not about power null, it is disassembly, which reduces targets to pieces
 
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