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Questioning the validity of tier 8 DC characters

AguilaR101

AguilaR101

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Quoted from the Kinetic Energy Feats page

"The calculated kinetic energy value is heavily inconsistent with the rest of the cast in the series. EX: Quicksilver's calculated speed cannot be used to derive kinetic energy as it heavily contradicts his established power levels. "

The elephant in the room is the fact that practically all of DC's street levelers are being scaled to a couple of Kinetic Energy feats performed by a single character.

Is it really fair to assume all of those characters should be rated 8-C? The rating is practically based off a couple of feats that aren't portrayed to have anywhere near the AP that's being calculated and there is a noticeable lack of physical tier 8 feats to prove that this is in fact a consistent rating amongst DC's street level characters.

Under other circumstances one would ignore the fact the KE energy feats performed by Katana don't show the destructive capacity they're calculated to have, but there simply aren't enough feats to support the consistency of those values.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if that were the case. But currently the only feat linked to his profile justifying his 8-C rating is the aforementioned one, which could very likely be written off as inconsistent like other KE feats considering that by itself it doesn't have the DC it's calculated to have and isn't supported by other characters of the same tier having comparable feats (at least not ones that are linked to their profiles).
 
Here

Hellbeast is also planning some revisions for that regard.

Also, New 52 Bats was supposed to be upgraded to 8-C+ or High 8-C via the school calc.

Then again the calc is literally 200 kg away from High 8-C so it wouldn't matter anyway.
 
The first one only calculates the explosion itself so the energy Batman himself was subject to might be considerably less than that as pointed out in the tanking section of the explosion yields calculations page.

I don't know the exact context behind Darkanine's calc, and he himself says that would only apply to their durability, not their AP. But that could be subject to change by proving the consistency of the scaling.

The last one is convincing imo, but it still needs to be added to his profile.
 
Darkanine was later corrected by Aiden with the confirmation that Batman fights against guys who can damage his suit.
 
Actually ignore the latter part, the feat is legit but this would only apply to Post Flashpoint characters wouldn't it? It wouldn't affect Post-Crisis characters barring mentions of them being at the same level or having fought one another.

If that's the case the first calc (which applies to Post-Crisis bats) needs to be further evaluated to see how much of the explosion scales to him.
 
Bambu called a high 8-C feat and there's two MCB feats I know of (ones part of that compilation of calcs and ones more my assumption (an explosion seen from miles away)
 
AguilaR101 said:
Actually ignore the latter part, the feat is legit but this would only apply to Post Flashpoint characters wouldn't it? It wouldn't affect Post-Crisis characters barring mentions of them being at the same level or having fought one another.
If that's the case the first calc (which applies to Post-Crisis bats) needs to be further evaluated to see how much of the explosion scales to him.
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Yes, Post-Flashpoint Bats scales to his own feats, which is why I said New 52 only. New 52 Bats was also stated to be vastly stronger than his Post-Crisis self, IIRC.
 
He's stated to be faster by Rebirth Superman but according to I believe Scott Snyder all of most of the Post Crisis stuff happened in the New 52 for Bruce (Bruce also mentioned being sent back in Final Crisis during Metal, where he is the same person)
 
To save us some time (and a few headaches)

How many 8-C feats do we have for Post-Crisis DC street tiers?
 
I should make notice that the Katana's calculation is quite wrong, like being 12 cm away from the camera (despite obviously not) and assuming a timeframe from no where.
 
Yeah, I noticed a few people had issues with the calc that were never actually resolved.

Although it really won't even matter if we don't have enough consistency to use something that high in the first place.
 
Only one of these has been calc'd...?

Some of these may likely end up being higher or lower than the current feat we're using, just from eyeballing them.
 
It's two feats but I'd appreciate the others since they could support or upgrade them. I've also got some stuff for speed and lifting strength
 
I also think that this seems suspicious to scale from, much like the Low 7-C Spider-Man feat due to moving the Hulk at great speed, and think that both should preferably be revised.

Here are some people that you should preferably ask to comment here, as they know Marvel and DC quite well:

Matthew Schroeder, Sandman31, Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot, Reppuzan, Hykuu, Shivansh Garg, Zensum, TheC2, Nether nine, Crimson Azoth, Eficiente, Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan, The Archdemon.
 
Hmmmmmm, maybe we could find even better feats for Spider-Man than the one he currently scales to. He does easily overpower and brutally stomp most of Marvel's 8-As without any effort when he goes serious (he also has a history of messing around with Wolverine), and Miles recently handily stomped HYDRA Cap, who is equal to canon Cap, upon flying into a rage after witnessing him accidentally killing Black Widow.
 
Do you mean Bambu's calc? It was accepted by Therifir and you seemed fine with it if so.

If the others then that's true but they do seem to stack up rather consistently
 
I personally think that Captain America and characters scaled from him, seem to be 8-C at best, without counting outliers, whereas Spider-Man, and characters scaled from him, are High 8-C, based on his feat of supporting a skyscraper (the Daily Bugle).
 
Nah, Cap regularly knocks down Deadpool who is 8-A via several feats to his name. Cap also has feats on that level and has been shown to be impervious to bullets.
 
BTW, the reasoning that Deadpool survived those feats via regen has also been debunked countless times, seeing as how pathetically slow Deadpool's Regenerationn is.
 
I do not remember Batman dodging natural lightning, or electricity of comparable potency, but I haven't read a lot of Batman comics.
 
Batman has been shown to dodge high-caliber bullets at close range tho, and so has Cassandra, so we could calc those.
 
Well, I personally think that feats beyond 8-C are most likely outliers or poor writing for Captain America, Deadpool, and similar characters.
 
Does Cap even have an 8-C feat? All I'm able to find are his 8-A feats. (Sadly I forgot which scans)
 
Cap does have a ton of comics to his name, so we might have to check, and with Sera on leave, it makes our job even tougher.
 
I think that calculating new bullet-dodging feats seems fine.
 
I also find it hilarious that Batman consistently tanks his own Batplane exploding while he's in it and a few times he opts to blow it up himself and walk out as if nothing happens to him.
 
I do not think that Captain America has any destructive feats anywhere near a 8-C level, but there are probably some more reliable durability feats.

In any case, Spider-Man's most impressive feat that I know of was lifting part of the Daily Bugle, by straining himself to his limits, and I think that was calculated as High 8-C.
 
I didn't find any calc on that level.

Cap also regularly trades blows with those capable of harming him, and Spidey is somewhat comparable to Luke Cage, who tanked a 1.7 kiloton bomb.
 
There's also this.

Which makes me question: How did we get our High 8-C values in the first place?
 
Isn't Captain America currently scaled from Deadpool withstanding a small nuclear explosion, or do I misremember?

If so, it would be a case of an extreme inconsistency outlier, presumably due to poor writing.
 
Spider-Man has not remotely completely destroyed all components of a skyscraper...
 
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