Red Vs Blue Revision

WeeklyBattles · Nov 13, 2018

So i was just looking through the RvB pages and...im confused by a few things:

1. Why exactly are they scaled to the piercing power of their bullets? Never have the characters been able to actively be undamaged by their bullets, on the contrary theyve been severely injured by them multiple times throughout the entire series, with even training rounds that are meant to simulate the feeling of a gunshot wound being stated to 'hurt like hell' and physically incapacitate those it hits.

2. City Block level is a MASSIVE outlier given that there isnt a single feat above 9-B/9-A throughout the series that didnt require either an amp or severely injure the character who tanked it as a result.

It would probably be a good idea to get a compilation of feats for the verse but everyone being 8-B for this is inaccurate.

WeeklyBattles · Nov 14, 2018

Mr. Bambu · Nov 14, 2018

For point one, that may as well be moot, they tank the piercing energy. That said, I do agree 8-B is probably an outlier for the Freelancers.

Phoenix821 · Nov 14, 2018

Why does Cabooses durability section link to a WWW Reddit thread?

WeeklyBattles · Nov 14, 2018

@Bambu They dont tank the piercing energy, they tank the general energy. If they had 8-B durability via tanking the piercing energy that means their skin is hard enough that bullets with 8-B piercing power cannot penetrate it.

Mr. Bambu · Nov 14, 2018

"That said, I do agree 8-B is probably an outlier for the Freelancers. "

Poiesis_Element · Nov 18, 2018

Well, this is embarrasing. I post a calc for Red vs Blue that places them higher in 8-B only to find that a revision thread is already going on. Also, there is a feat from Sharkface, who survives a massive skyscraper falling on top of him, albiet, if I recall, he mentions that it took years of physical therapy to get back on his feet.

Mr. Bambu · Nov 18, 2018

That was a good find, Poiesis. I've advised a slight revision to your calc but after that it looks fine.

Seems 8-B was destined to stay.

Poiesis_Element · Nov 18, 2018

So, with my calc updated and accepted, when will it be added to the profiles?

Poiesis_Element · Nov 18, 2018

Oh yeah, I should add that Freckles once stomped on the ground hard enough to make an earthquake powerful enough to cause a cave-in from at least tens of metres away.

As for Sharkface, here's where he stated to have been crushed by a building and this is what he was talking about.

Mr. Bambu · Nov 18, 2018

I did remember the Freckles thing but I'm unsure if it would scale to other characters. If it does, it'd be pretty massive downscaling.

WeeklyBattles · Nov 18, 2018

Freckles is way above everyone else, thats like scaling everyone to Sheila

Mr. Bambu · Nov 18, 2018

Right. But the other stuff is 100% legitimate.

WeeklyBattles · Nov 18, 2018

Having a skyscraper collapsing on you doesnt make you 8-B, especially when it severely injures you to the point that you need years to recover

Mr. Bambu · Nov 18, 2018

That's true, but it IS a supporting feat when you have 8-B piercing energy and 8-B explosions on you. The skyscraper thing could be calc'd (painfully calc'd, mind you) but it would yield high into Tier 8, methinks.

WeeklyBattles · Nov 18, 2018

You'd have to take the Inverse Square law for the explosions and once again they dont tank the 8-B energy they tank the 9-B energy. To use the 8-B piercing energy as a durability rating they'd have to shown to be physically impervious to said bullets.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ability_Required_to_be_Completely_Bulletproof

Mr. Bambu · Nov 18, 2018

The explosions, if point blank, don't require the inverse square law. Additionally, I think you're thinking of intensity, not inverse square.

WeeklyBattles · Nov 18, 2018

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Explosion_Yield_Calculations#Durability_From_Tanking_an_explosio

No its the inverse square law

Also what 8-B explosion did they tank?

Mr. Bambu · Nov 18, 2018

Look at Poiesis' blog. Also that is Intensity of an explosion, yes. For some reason got cubic and inverse square mixed up, I just woke up a bit ago so just a tad groggy.

WeeklyBattles · Nov 18, 2018

Which blog?

Nico-v11 · Nov 18, 2018

From this thread I made where you personally agreed that they should be 8-B

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1515344

Mr. Bambu · Nov 18, 2018

WeeklyBattles said:
Which blog?

Literally the most recent one. Man has three, two of which were for the Bloodborne revision.

WeeklyBattles · Nov 18, 2018

@Nico And i was wrong and now personally agree that the rating is wrong

Nico-v11 · Nov 18, 2018

Yeah there's a lot of times where they are killed by bullets but there are other times when they are completely and utterly fine.

For the sake of humor there's a lot of inconsistencies. Also Monty's rule of cool in play again......

WeeklyBattles · Nov 18, 2018

The times where theyre completely fine should be taken as PIS as the number of times theyve been significantly injured as well as harmed by things far below 8-B far outweighs them

Poiesis_Element · Nov 18, 2018

I'll leave a link to the calc here, if only for future reference. Anyway, I'll be going to bed now.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Poiesis_Element/Tex's_Explosions

Nico-v11 · Nov 18, 2018

I mean seriously Donut survives a grenade that was literally attached to the side of his head. Later he's completely fine

WeeklyBattles · Nov 18, 2018

@Nico Grenades are 9-B, that's consistent

Nico-v11 · Nov 18, 2018

When the bullets are 8-B no.

WeeklyBattles · Nov 18, 2018

@Poesis That is a massive outlier that is directly contradicted by the same characters being harmed by 9-B bullets multiple times

WeeklyBattles · Nov 18, 2018

Also that feat is a chain reaction, not a single explosion

Mr. Bambu · Nov 18, 2018

So it is an outlier (assuming we ignore casual feats earlier and other characters in serious fights being wounded by skyscrapers collapsing and surviving attacks from Freckles)

Like even being severely wounded by high-end 8-B attacks is still 8-B, just massively downscaled.

Nico-v11 · Nov 19, 2018

Also who can forget Maine getting shot 9 times in the throat.

Mr. Bambu · Nov 19, 2018

Nico-v11 said:
Also who can forget Maine getting shot 9 times in the throat.

Good feat, but not 8-B.

WeeklyBattles · Nov 19, 2018

@Nico A feat that left him severely and permanently injured and that wouldnt have harmed him if he had the durability to resist 8-B piercing power

Nico-v11 · Nov 19, 2018

Or the Meta in season 8 being perfectly fine getting shot by Sarge with a shotgun with no issues at all.

Nico-v11 · Nov 19, 2018

Good feat, but not 8-B.

I thought we were counting 8-B bullets here?

Nico-v11 · Nov 19, 2018

WeeklyBattles said:
@Nico A feat that left him severely and permanently injured and that wouldnt have harmed him if he had the durability to resist 8-B piercing power

He got up literally right after and kept fighting. The fact that he resisted 9 8-B bullets and still kept up means something.

Poiesis_Element · Nov 19, 2018

WeeklyBattles said:
Also that feat is a chain reaction, not a single explosio

Ok, quick one before I go to bed, but I know. The calc accounted for the multiple explosions required for the cliff and the number tanked by the characters.

WeeklyBattles · Nov 19, 2018

@Nico the bullets arent 8-B, theyre 9-B with 8-B piercing power. For the twentieth time, in order for us to take the 8-B piercing power as general durability, they would have to show that the bullets are physically incapable of piercing them.

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