Red Vs Blue Revision

[Nico-v11]

There's also North getting shot like 5 times by a mini gun. Sure injured but perfectly able to later stand on a Pelican and deploy a shield

 

[Nico-v11]

@Weekly if that's how we're doing it ok.

 

[Nico-v11]

Well Sharkface doesn't even flinch when he gets shot as the bullets bounce off him when we first meet him.

 

[Nico-v11]

Also Locus getting shot, no piercing, only slightly staggered, then continues hand to hand combat.

Took about 4 shots to the chest

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Oh? Scans of this?

 

[Nico-v11]

Which of all of them lol

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The ones of bullets bouncing off of them

 

[Nico-v11]

https://youtu.be/egeYSP-FAxw

23:30

59:33

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Sharkface was wearing heavy armor in that scene was he not? Also someone should calc him being hit with the Banshee, that would help determine the legitimacy. Also also at 1:07:00 Sharkface was severely injured by a metal door and then shot to death a few seconds later.

Why has no one calced all the bullet dodging feats in this series...?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Why bother calcing Banshee when we have other much more notable feats.

Because there's a lot...? You're able to calc, if you want a calc done without waiting for us lazy bastards to do it, you're free to.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Because getting hit with a 2.25 metric ton vehicle moving at that speed is a decent feat that would support the ratings of the verse?

I suck at reaction calcs :/

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Except surviving (albeit being very wounded) an entire skyscraper falling on top of you is much more impressive. Surviving attacks from Freckles is far more impressive. The explosions from Tex are far more impressive. Low-end feats are hardly worth mentioning.

Welp.

 

[Nico-v11]

This series is pure inconsistency so how about we just have Varies as the tier? Or like different arcs they have different stats?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

This series is pure inconsistency so how about we just have Varies as the tier? Or like different arcs they have different stats?

That doesn't make sense. They don't vary, just are inconsistent. Percy Jackson gets wounded from 9-B falls, as do Destiny characters. Makes no sense to lowball them as "Varies".

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The concept of outliers is a thing guys

And its further driven home that theyre outliers when characters that survive the feats end up in the hospital for years but other characters who are equal to them are only a bit hurt

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Outliers are a thing, yes, well spotted, but not when there are other feats on that level.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Bambu Tell that to RWBY which had three 8-A feats that were all determined to be outliers because the characters had been regularly harmed by 8-C attacks. The same logic applies here.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't care about the case for RWBY. I care about trying to use other cases to justify crap ratings on another case.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Characters in RvB are consistently harmed and killed by and consistently need a significant amount of effort to perform 9-B feats, with the 8-B feats in the series either severely severely wounding them or outright killing them. One character having an off-handed 8-B feat that they werent severely harmed by is an outlier.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

They consistently survive 8-B stuff. Bullets may as well have no tier considering how much they vary.

So no. It isn't an outlier. They downscale.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

They dont constantly survive 8-B stuff. There's only been one feat of them brushing off the 8-B piercing power of the bullets and its contradicted by every other feat of being shot in the series. The only other 8-B feat in the series put the guy in the hospital for years

 

[Mr. Bambu]

And the explosions on Wash and Maine. And people being able to survive Freckles.

They don't do it constantly, but they do it consistently. Like I said.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Where were Wash and Maine's explosions shown to be 8-B? Same with Freckles' attacks?

9-B is exponentially more consistent and concise with the feats of the characters throughout the series

 

[Mr. Bambu]

When they were comparable to Tex's explosions, and when Freckles collapsed a cave and caused visible shaking outside.

And yeah. Fast punching in anime could 100% be calc'd as 9-B and some person could blather on about consistency. But who cares? If the verse has multiple showings of 8-B, why bother downgrading when the case of outlier-dom has been debunked.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Again, not only was Tex's feat a chain reaction and not just a single explosion, but we have no idea where anyone was in proximity to said explosion and it would be a massive outlier for them to survive an 8-B explosion, on top of the damage from the explosion causing severe damage to almost everyone caught in it. Freckles' feat needs to be calced but i doubt it will yield above tier 9. Shaking the ground itself is only tier 9.

The multiple 8-B feats consistently severely injure or kill the characters why are you still trying to argue that they are 8-B?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

And the feat was handled as a singular explosion then multiplied by the explosions that hit Wash and Maine. So that's a moot point that was, "again", talked about and debunked. And it isn't an outlier when they can clearly survive that stuff.

Shaking the ground is not tier 9, Weekly. That's where we use Earthquake charts. Do you remember those? Earthquakes? Based on this, to be felt by everyone an EQ must have an intensity of V-VI, which translates to a 4.0-5.9 EQ. Even low-balling, that's 8-B. It feels like Xcano is talking to me. And yeah, they get injured, 100% no doubt- but that really only means they downscale. Not to 9-B. I really have no idea why in the world you'd think "oh so they survive 8-B with severe injuries, clearly 9-B".

 

[WeeklyBattles]

'They clearly survive it' doesnt make it any less of an outlier. Normal humans from Pokemon regularly survive attacks from pokemon ranging anywhere from 8-A to 6-C. Like on a daily basis. That doesnt mean theyre not outliers. Pre-timeskip RWBY has multiple consistent casual 8-B to 8-A feats but that doesnt mean theyre not outliers. You need to look at the series as a whole, if throughout an entire series the cast as a whole has consistently been harmed and severely wounded or killed by 9-B attacks as well as needing to put significant effort into performing said attacks, a few feats of a higher level that they manage to tank is an outlier, further driven home by the fact that they are 95% of the time severely wounded to the point of extended incapacitation. This is basically like saying any human has 8-C durability backscaling from surviving being struck by lightning but being hospitalized for a few weeks, or 9-B from being hit by a car.

Shaking the ground is in fact tier 9. Not sure how youre getting that when a magnitude 2-3 would be felt by everyone, which would be 9-A to 8-C as it was caused by physical strikes and not a natural earthquake. And no, they donw downscale, why in the world would they scale to something that kills them or puts them out of commission for years? Its not something they can actively take in combat its something that they cannot withstand and thus ends up killing or almost killing them. And they dont survive 8-B with severe injuries, they barely survive at all and theyre then nearly dead and in the hospital for years needing extensive physical therapy to be able to move again. Once again, thats like saying all humans are 8-C because any random guy can get struck by lightning and possibly survive with horrible injuries followed by extensive hospital time. 9-B attacks consistently harm and kill them, that alone debunks them being 8-B.

 

[Poiesis_Element]

You know, this is reminding me of the list of Liger686 calcs of Ben 10 and how most of them are only tier 9, but we still accept the Tier 7 feats anyway. Yes, I know it's because there's enough of them (as is the case here), but using the argument that they should be 9-B because they keep getting harmed by 9-B attacks is kind of weak. We'd probably have to downgrade a lot of verse with that kid of logic.

Freckles didn't just shake the ground, they did so hard enough to cause a cave in from quiet a distance away, which, assuming the rock was already weakened, would take a Magnitude 4 or 5 earthquake. And yes, I am talking about radiated waves (physical strikes) in that case.

Last I checked, the problem with RWBY was that there were only 2 8-A calcs, but one of them didn't hold up under scrutiny, on top of the number of 8-C feats.

Also, regarding the skyscraper, considering just how massive it was in the first place, that Sharkface even survived at all and could stay alive under all of it for what must have been at least hours (since they would have to dig him out) is noteworthy in and of itself. I also did a low balled calc (not posted) of what it would take to survive getting crushed by the Empire State building and it came out 8-A.

Lastly, regarding my calc, it already accounts for the multiple explosives needed.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

A lot of verses have been downgraded by this logic actually and a few more are in the process of being downgraded

Causing a cave to collapse with a stomp from a distance away would be a magnitude 6 quake. That or the cave is made of the weakest stone in existence.

There were and still are three calcs, they were downgraded because the characters consistently need to put significant effort into 8-C feats but performed the 8-A feats casually, hence why they were determined to be outliers. Jojo was recently downgraded for the same reasoning.

There are a ton of issues with your math if youre getting anything higher than a tier 9 yield for being crushed by part of a skyscraper. Sharkface did not take on the full weight of the building on top of him only part of it.

It really doesnt as you still treat it as a singly yield rather than multiple yields that cause a chain reaction of destruction, which we dont accept here. This would lead to stuff like Stitch being 5-B for beating an alien who can split a planet in half by causing a chain reaction of earthquakes.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Weekly's point is that other verses got downgrades ergo RvB should get downgrades because of how much of an outlier it is despite obvious consistency being shown.

And, Weekly, did you actually look at his calc? It is divided by the number of explosions, and multiplied by the number that go off on Meta and Wash.

I disagree with the proposed downgrade to 9-B because "well rwby was downgraded". If I'm not mistaken, so does Poiesis.

 

[Poiesis_Element]

I'll have to admit, maybe we should get some impartial parties to take a look at this because it honestly feels like this isn't going anywhere. Anyway, I'll be going to the dentist soon, so I won't be responding for a bit.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Fair enough. Cya then Poiesis.

And just to be sure, I was fine with the downgrade when I thought it was an outlier. One feat in a sea of others is wrong. But then we found the explosions, and Freckles has attacked the respective characters and they've survived, and finally bullet deflecting and skyscraper falling... has me convinced that 8-B is far from an outlier.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Weekly you've been called out on this logic numerous times already. It didn't work back with RWBY and it ain't working now.

As of the discussion, I agree with Bambu and Poiesis.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What is going on here.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Reb What are you talking about? Im agreeing with the logic that downgraded RWBY and arguing that the same logic should be applied here seeing as its the exact same situation of the characters being rated for a few high casual feats despite the series as a whole portraying them as consistently needing significant effort to perform much lower feats and much lower feats consistently severely harming or outright killing them.

Bambu and Poiesis are arguing against that logic and scaling the verse to 8-B feats that consistently put characters in the hospital for years

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

IF 8-B kills the characters consistently and they are threatened by 9-B bullets they shouldn't be 8-B.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Matt 9-B feats have consistently killed the characters, the 8-B feats have consistently damaged the characters to the point of being basically near death only surviving through sheer luck or put them in the hospital for several years

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Weekly, you're heavily twisting the context here. Only 1 feat put one character into the hospital for years. In other cases people survived.

As of your RWBY example, there is legit only one 8-A feat from Weiss, that was utterly casual and directly contradicted by the comparable characters struggling to perform lower tier feats. 8-B one came from Penny's special attack, so it doesn't really scale to anybody.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Why are we scaling dura to explosions that they never took?

The bombs Tex's used on the cliff weren't the same one's that she used against Wash. Case in point, the explosion was small and didn't do anywhere near the damage the 8-B one's did.

Not only that but Tex wasn't trying to kill them with that explosion, she wanted to know where the directer was, she knew they would survive it.

Not including the bullets, are there any other 8-B feats?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Reb Survived near death with heavy injuries, plus the bullets that we currently use 8-B piercing power for have calced 9-B general energy and they killed the people who supposedly scale to the 8-B feats