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Ainz Ooal Gown VS The Second Christ (Done)

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Him being >>> Mach 9 VS Ainz being Mach 3.2, and (from what I can tell) having several non-magical hax that one-shot.

I only say this as an assumption, however. In reality, that's only true if all his good powers activate within a handwave or less, and are potent enough to be combat-applicable.

I would think the second part is true, since his profile says he has several ways to ignore durability with his powers, but I don't know for certain. I only made it halfway into Needless when I tried reading it.
 
Uh... Ainz can't even use his magic as a pseudo-warrior. The fact that speed is unequalised means that warrior Ainz gets outhaxed by TSC's hax such as Molecular Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, and Reality Warping (whatever offensive use his Reality Warping has) right from the very start of the battle.
 
So wait, most Ainz powers aren't applicable in his last key? I can equalize, but I though he conserved his powers.
 
He literally can't use magic as a pseudo-warrior, and other special abilities he gains as a pseudo-warrior relies on the effects of his elemental weapons (which doesn't even have that much hax), and he's not even much of a master as a warrior (as evidenced by the fact that he stated that other warriors similar to his level can defeat him).
 
So, he only has a bunch of hax in base, but only the 6-C as Perfect Warrior?
 
As Momon (his Dark Warrior equipment), he loses most of his impressive hax and only has low-tier skills and spells (and none of his low-tier spells have any hax, from what I can recall). As Perfect Warrior he can't use any other magic. Period.

He only has all that hax at base (as the Overlord skeleton we all know).
 
So there's no 6-C haxxed Ainz and this is an stomp? What a let down, I wasted my daily match...
 
The only 6-C Ainz with hax is the base one, where he is a skeletal mage. Otherwise, he can't use his any hax as a pseudo-warrior.
 
Oh, ok that one key, I may just misread the AP. So I equalize speed and everything fair?
 
Equalise speed and keep Ainz as a skeletal mage, and we should get a battle of hax (the AP difference should be made up by TSC's own hax, with some of his abilities bypassing conventional durability, based from what I've seen about his capabilities in this thread).
 
Ok, done, it seems that SC powers hasn't been actualized so you can check the blog from above for reference.

Now discuss or else...
 
TSC's Soul Absorption (which seems to be contact-based) works against the dead. Does "the dead" also include skeletal liches as well?
 
It was stated to see, interact and absorb the "unseen" (would need to add non-physical interaction later), but only showed absorbing a bunch of ghost and a demon., not sue if linches qualify as "unseen".
 
Well, liches (basically skeletons that can use magic) aren't exactly incorporeal/ethereal (as in, they aren't invisible nor are they spiritual beings. If that is what the "unseen" means) in Overlord. So, Second Sight only allows TSC to absorb the incorporeal undead (that are known for being invisible)?
 
Yes, there's no much to say, it was only used in one chapter; he can also summons and control them.
 
Antoniofer said:
Yes, there's no much to say, it was only used in one chapter; he can also summons and control them.
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Hmm.

What are the extent of TSC's Molecular Manipulation for combat purposes? Other than causing things to melt via touch (through accelerating molecules) and being able to stop/freeze molecular-altering attacks, but that's all I can find about it.
 
He has can alter his own molecular structure being capable to turn shapeshift into nearly everything; its matter manipulation its so accurate that can stop any single molecule of a bunch of fire. Similar to Grasp Heart, can make internal organs to stop working.
 
Antoniofer said:
He has can alter his own molecular structure being capable to turn shapeshift into nearly everything; its matter manipulation its so accurate that can stop any single molecule of a bunch of fire. Similar to Grasp Heart, can make internal organs to stop working.
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Not quite like Grasp Heart. Despite its namesake, it does more than just crush the opponent's heart. It causes instant death on the target upon the spell being cast.

Volume 11

"Umu… dealing with fools is truly tiresome."

A cold voice rang forth.

Why did his father's instincts as one of the living not tell him that Death awaited him? It must have been his Draconic avarice at work here.

"You idiot! You've just thrown away the only chance you had to survive! No, I should kill youÔöÇ"

"[Grasp Heart]."

And with that, his father's body slumped powerlessly to the ground.

All eyes went to the body of the strongest Dragon here.

The way he did not move at all looked like he was sleeping. Of course, that was definitely not the case.

The air in the room turned cold, and the Supreme Being spoke.

As you can see, that dragon didn't actually hold his chest in pain (to signify that it's only his chest that is being affected) or anything before he died. He just straight up slumped powerlessly into the ground, which proves that Grasp Heart also causes an instant death effect upon being cast as well (rather than just simply destroying the heart). What I'm saying is, Grasp Heart is also Death Manipulation.


Also, based from what you've said, TSC can use that ability to shapeshift, stop any fire projectiles (or possibly non-fire attacks as well, as long as they're projectiles), and disable internal organs (not like that'll work against Ainz, being a skeleton and all). Is there any other ranged feat TSC can do with it, or?
 
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Uh.

You realize that if somebody or something crushes your entire heart at once, you don't have time to clutch at your chest before you die, right? Your bodily functions skid to a halt right then and there because the thing that was pumping your blood just got turned into complete paste.

Is this passage seriously the source of Ainz' "instant death hax" that I've been hearing about?
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
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Uh.

You realize that if somebody or something crushes your entire heart at once, you don't have time to clutch at your chest before you die, right? Your bodily functions skid to a halt right then and there because the thing that was pumping your blood just got turned into complete paste.

Is this passage seriously the source of Ainz' "instant death hax" that I've been hearing about?
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I've recalled a fair amount of other users (who are knowledgeable about Ainz) stated that his Grasp Heart also causes an instant death effect (and would inflict a "stun" effect if the target happens to be able to survive their heart being crushed and instant death). If you want further information about it, you can message one of the Knowledgeable members of Overlord if you want.

Either way, whether or not Grasp Heart is actually Death Manipulation doesn't matter as he has other abilities that is such, like his spell Death (which, like its namesake, causes instant death upon the target. Ainz has proven that he can cast it with his own thought alone if he decides to). Though Death (which is obviously instant death) being explicitly stated to be similar to Grasp Heart could prove that the latter is instant death hax, if you can accept that.
 
Grasp Heart do not sounds like Death Manip, at least not like the null Low-High regen. As for Death it could work, but it can be nullified by Shield of Aegis.
 
Antoniofer said:
Grasp Heart do not sounds like Death Manip, at least not like the null Low-High regen. As for Death it could work, but it can be nullified by Shield of Aegis.
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Based from what I've read about Shield of Aegis, it can only block projectiles. Neither Grasp Heart nor Death are projectiles, they directly affect the target. From what I've recalled, about other users knowledgable about Overlord, Ainz's death hax can apparently work on beings with Regenerationn below Low-Godly. Though if that isn't good enough reason, then Ainz can simply just defeat TSC through other spells that can overcome his Low-High Regenerationn.
 
I'll ask about it later, since I don't have the time right now and am also not up for derailing this thread based one specific thing I find fault with. But unless there's a statement of it having an instant death effect that isn't caused by the person's heart being crushed, that shouldn't count as death manipulation. Not based on a passage where someone failed to clutch at their chest after one of their vital organs was instantly destroyed with a spell.
 
Pretty sure Ainz's deathax comes from The Goal of All Life is Death, not grasp heart.
 
Shield of Aegis can also block intangible attacks such psychoquinesis, not only projectiles, it can also deflect but not attacks like the last one. Other thing, TSC has somekind of passive Counter Attack, if someone attack with ice it will conter with fire, attack with metal will be deflected by magnetism, and similar stuff. TSC do not need to defend or even react, it will just happen.
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
I'll ask about it later, since I don't have the time right now and am also not up for derailing this thread based one specific thing I find fault with. But unless there's a statement of it having an instant death effect that isn't caused by the person's heart being crushed, that shouldn't count as death manipulation. Not based on a passage where someone failed to clutch at their chest after one of their vital organs was instantly destroyed with a spell.
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There might be other reasons, but you'll need to ask one of the more knowledgable members of Overlord for that. I think one of the reasons is that Grasp Heart is classified as instant death in the same category that Death is (where Death does not require the target to crush the heart, nor does it have a secondary stun effect. The fact that instant death HAX such as Death is explicitly stated to be similar to Grasp Heart might be able to prove that Grasp Heart is instant death).

Even if it does not, Ainz still has other spells that can give him the win here.
 
DeathNoodles makes some good sense here, if it's classified as a death spell in the same vein his other spells are classified as death spells, it should function as such unless there's an obvious contradiction.

Ainz-sama FRA for now.
 
Antoniofer said:
Shield of Aegis can also block intangible attacks such psychoquinesis, not only projectiles, it can also deflect but not attacks like the last one. Other thing, TSC has somekind of passive Counter Attack, if someone attack with ice it will conter with fire, attack with metal will be deflected by magnetism, and similar stuff. TSC do not need to defend or even react, it will just happen.
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Well, you'll have to show proof that Shield of Aegis can block Death Manipulation without coming across as NLF.

Either way, TSC is not blocking Time Stop as that's not even an attack. From then onwards, Ainz can make a combo of spells against TSC during the stopped timeframe and make them take effect after the stopped timeframe ends. And developing an ability to counteract Time Manipulation would count as NLF unless there's actually proof that TSC can deal with Time Manipulation.
 
Death spell sounds more like a category tho, not that necessary cause insta-death by ripping the soul/life-force. I do not doubt that tGoALiD could kill him, and not sure if he can nullify it. Although, TSC has more power counter that, for example if Ainz try the cast a dangerous spell he can say "stop doing that" and Ainz would stop (unless he has resistance against command inducement).
 
Antoniofer said:
Death spell sounds more like a category tho, not that necessary cause insta-death by ripping the soul/life-force. I do not doubt that tGoALiD could kill him, and not sure if he can nullify it. Although, TSC has more power counter that, for example if Ainz try the cast a dangerous spell he can say "stop doing that" and Ainz would stop (unless he has resistance against command inducement).
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Either way, it is explicitly stated to work similarly to Death, that should be proof enough that it has similar mechanics.

Based from what I've heard, the commanding ability counts as Mind Manipulation. Ainz has resistance to Mind Manipulation.
 
"It's classified as instant death"

Maybe that's because the victim 'instantly dies' from having their heart crushed like a grape. From what I can see, the big similarity between the two spells is that they're both instantly lethal, but that doesn't mean they're instantly lethal for the exact same reason.

Anyway, like I said, this isn't the place to discuss all that. I'll bring it up elsewhere once I have the time for it.
 
Preeeety sure Ainz would resist the command inducement. What does it operate on; mind, body, something else?

Apparently Ainz's first move is timestop if he has not intel on the enemy (discussed this on another thread), so TSC would have to also start with it either way.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
Preeeety sure Ainz would resist the command inducement. What does it operate on; mind, body, something else?

Apparently Ainz's first move is timestop if he has not intel on the enemy (discussed this on another thread), so TSC would have to also start with it either way.
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Start with what? If you mean command inducement, how would TSC even know Ainz has that (who specifically has resistance to Clairvoyance and Information Analysis)?
 
It was only used in one chapter, but anytime people does it they aren't hypnotised they just do what the other says, with "oh sh*t" in their face. Psychoquinesis has similar effect but only the body, as the blog said, whatever the user want to stop it will stop.
 
Antoniofer said:
It was only used in one chapter, but anytime people does it they aren't hypnotised they just do what the other says, with "oh sh*t" in their face. Psychoquinesis has similar effect but only the body, as the blog said, whatever the user want to stop it will stop.
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Well, the former sounds like Mind Manipulation, so Ainz would resist that.

For the latter (which apparently affects the body), Ainz has a ring that gives him resistance to Paralysis and Physical Impediment (so attacks that are designed to impede Ainz's freedom of movement can't affect him), as well as apparently giving him resistance towards temporal attacks. So Ainz can probably resist that as well if TSC tries to tell Ainz to "stop".
 
Resistance to paralysis sounds different than resistance to matter manipulation, unless he have show said resistance. Same way, those that grants him resistance to gravity or atmospheric manipulation?
 
Antoniofer said:
Resistance to paralysis sounds different than resistance to matter manipulation, unless he have show said resistance. Same way, those that grants him resistance to gravity or atmospheric manipulation?
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Ah, so the Molecular Manipulation from TSC. It seems to be limited to simply just freezing the target's body only.

Either way, that's literally not going to stop Ainz from time stopping (which he can cast the spell via thought alone). And Ainz has a spell modifier called Silent Magic, which allows Ainz to cast his spells just from thought alone (so he doesn't need to chant, move his arms, or anything. He just simply thinks), so Ainz can still make a combo of spells against TSC during the time stop.
 
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