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Shovel Knight Revisions

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(EDIT) So this generally shifted into a more general revision thread as stuff went by, read below. I'll make a summary later.

So, apparently The Enchantress (Shovel Knight) had a storm feat calced at 7-B, but this struck me as a bit odd. Mostly because we never actually see her make the storm, and I believe it was around the area before she rose to power. I couldn't find any revision threads or links to her actually creating said storm, so I'm led to believe someone requested it without much knowledge and it was calced under a false assumption.

Can someone provide evidence of her making the storm other than it being in the general area?

Even then, I strongly think the feat would fall under Environmental Destruction, as there is little to imply she can use the same energy in her other attacks, and it's hardly consistent with other feats in the verse.

Forget the last part. We're not discussing ED as much as we're discussing whether or not she actually did the feat.
 
I used to not believe Shovel Knight's tier but that information made me change my mind. Someone should add it in The Enchantress' profile.
 
But she doesn't create the storm, however. It just clears up after she dies or grows less powerful. You can't apply a calc for storm creation for a feat of clearing a storm via death, those are two whoally seperate things.

8-C via fighting characters who are of that size. I could also calc more reliable feats, such as explosions or the tower collapsing after the enchantress is defeted.

Also, I'd love a single feat that supports 7-B other than the storm calc, which as you can tell should be removed.

As I've said it's environemental destruction at best, especially if she isn't actually creating the storm and it just clears up if she dies. You can't scale the energy of the storm to any of her other attacks, it's nonsense.
 
If you can find a way to calc the Tower collapsing then by all means do that. Shield Knight survived it.

It also caused an earthquake that was felt at the other end of the map of that means anything.
 
That would work fine. Are we good on the storm calc not counting, then? It's clear we never see her directly create it.
 
It should count. One of the knights also makes a storm in his stage. This environmental thing is getting out of hand.
 
@Matt Links. There's no proof she makes the storm. It just disperses when she dies. Of course we can't use a storm creation calc. As I've said, I'd like at least one other feat to support this. It's fine if one can't be produced, I'd just like some meat to my claim that no other feats in the game line up with this.

It's really not. I count two threads total where you've disagreed with me on this, and you even agreed to the page originally. No need to make it seem like the rules are suddenly an issue on the wiki.
 
The clouds being pushed back isn't even really a feat, though, either. There's no character to pin down doing it. It just sort of happens when you clear a level.
 
NOOO, my Corrin/Anankos vs threads

I gotta say I agree with not using the storm thing, I think what Dargoo says makes sense
 
It's not really a matter of "how many", it's more of a matter of "is there a general consensus". Which I know can make things really slow for controversial verses and threads, but it helps keep a tyranny of the majority as well as admins/beuros deciding everything from happening.

It seems most of us are on the same page; Matt's main beef was with calling it ED, which doesn't seem to be relevant anymore since we're calling into question if she even did the feat.
 
I can do a high end with violent fragmentation, but pretty large chunks fall off as the Enchantress dies.
 
That calc seems to have a number of issues.

Namely we don't see the meteors come from the sky, just above the visible area.
 
Even as you guys argue, Mr. Bambu has debunked the hell out of the calc in question, so it isn't viable anyway.
 
I mean, there was also Schmuck's recalc

Anyways, let's just see what's doable as per those Meteors.
 
EMagoIorSouI said:
A little off topic. But where /did/ Shovel Knight's 8-C feat come from?
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Beating large-sized characters, which doesn't exactly make sense. Otherwise I assume it was from Sheild Knight surviving the Tower of Fate collapsing and taking direct hits from the Enchantress who caused said destruction as she died, but I calced that at 8-A.
 
Another thing; it says Spectre Knight created a storm as well, however I have no clue where that comes from either. If you look at his boss fight, nothing in the sky actually changes; the environment just gets darker, which can be for a large number of reasons. He just summons lightning from the sky.

https://youtu.be/EpueCTIlKyk?t=7
 
He doesn't do it in Specter of Torment either so that can be removed. I'm planning on doing a mass revision as soon as the Tower feat is evaluated anyway.

Speaking of which, thank you very much for that.
 
No problem.

Also somebody should calc Shovel Knight lifting the entire Order of No Quarter; which he does via a pulley here (Or at least he can lift each individual member, in which case Polar Knight, Mole Knight, or Treasure Knight might yeild the highest weight).

https://youtu.be/v7CJYt5CRsI?t=400

"Can move around in armor" with a Superhuman label slapped onto it just seems off.
 
Honestly the verse needs to be somewhat revised as a whole. While not completely a disaster, a lot of things need to changed. Though nothin' too big, simple revisions are just needed!

Also, what is the reasoning behind Shovel Knight and the entire Order being Subsonic? Just seems slapped on there with no justification. If anything, their speed could just be upgraded to Massively Hypersonic via scaling to Phantom Striker.
 
Well, the justification is that he can dodge lightning bolts from the Phantom Striker, but he only really summons a proper lightning bolt at the beggining of the fight IMO. The rest are dubious and I doubt they'd fall under the pretty strict Lightning Dodging Feats rules.

@Arrogant It just says "his attacks"; nothing implies he's summoning actual lightning except at the very start of the fight, tbh, and the rest don't act like lightning at all.
 
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