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Bill Cipher, reddit and his feats section

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I'll cut the chase, most of the abilities bill gets from his reddit answers simply make no sense in context of the show.

Of course, one could tell that bill being defeated is PIS, but when he has abilities that could have made him win at any time, it might just mean that his reddit comments were not thought through with the plot in mind and don't fit canon.

A few exemples would be his "All Time-See" being able to see infinite versions of himself in infinite realities. This would have been usefull to not ever do any of his failings, but whatever.

He is also in a state of quantum uncertancy and is apparently everything that he isn't.

Of course, the evaporating upon hearing his name also comes from there.

And he also claims that he is possesing the creator of his show...

His Omnipotent sight would have also helped, as it allows him to see everything in an alternate reality, it should have given lots of things to see in the main reality.


So yeah, lots of weird stuff on reddit

To be honest, 2-A precog is what I have the most beef with, as it is not only not shown, but makes everything within the plot asine.


Still, there are another few things in his feats section..:

-Froze time when speaking with Gideo.

It is a feature of his to passivly make people fall asleep while he's mindascape self is comunicating with them in this manner, with people jolting awake everytime he leaves. That means that he is merely manipulating the sleep, not time itself. And it would make no sense for him to be able to stop time in this manner, as he needed to kill the to control it, as he himself points out.


Pulled a deer's teeth from its mouth with a gesture of his hand

See above, this is akin to him transforming mable into an ugly monster in Stans mind.


Ripped out Dipper's soul and possessed his body

Might want to mentioned that this was with a deal, and that soul rip isn't done normally.


His acquiring of a physical form and entrance into the universe caused many of its natural laws to be destroyed or distorted .

Not really, space was broken due to the material the portal released (and bill making the portal), and was already ripped by the time he actually got the body. Mind you, he can do stuff like this, but not by just existing.


Turned Ford into a statue with a glare and used him as a backscratcher

That... is very misleading. He shot an eye laser, not just glared.


Instantly regenerated after being hit by Ford's Quantum Destabiliser, which blasts objects into nonexistence

Again, misleading. It only affected a few litle bit of his hat. Getting your hat EE'd is and regenerating isn't impressive unless it's conceptual destruction, which I doubt,


Able to view other realities (such as our own), as the message at the end of his version of the intro, when reversed and decrypted, says "I'm watching you, nerds".

He breaks the forth wall, but I don't think he can plain watch us.


  • Due to regaining his physical form after being hit by Quantum Destabilizer, a durability-bypassing weapon, and having an eye with slow Regenerationn will not restrict his regen from having Low-Godly as it is likely PIS.
As I pointed out above, someone needs their whole bdy to be destroyed for that to work. He has low-godly, he created a body from nothing ith his mindscaper form, but it is not due to being erased.
 
If Im not mistaken, we only use WoG if it doesnt contradict the material, thats why some statements are used and others are ignored, it's very case by case.
 
It's stuff like "why would we consider bill's statement about seeing infinite realities any more true than bill possesing the creator of his show" kind of thing
 
And bill possesing his show's creator is similar to things like (Even though bill's is on a much smaller scale) Gan mind controlling Stephen King
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
I mean, we used Ask vector prime for Transformers
Again, does it contradict actual stuff? Bill was surprised by severeal things, and as reddit is far less reliable for canon we would simply assume that his precog isn't as good as it's described to be.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
And bill possesing his show's creator is similar to things like (Even though bill's is on a much smaller scale) Gan mind controlling Stephen King
Bill had the creator have extra stuff animated in...

that is a ridicolous power to have and not use.
 
The issue is that Bill has those abilities... From a fan QaA where the answerer replies IN CHARACTER.

If you were to ask him: "Hey Bill, do you think that you beat a being that transcends the concept of dimensions themselves", he might as well have replied with: "SURE, PIECE OF CAKE!"
 
Hmm. I think that the OP has a point in that if the abilities mentioned outside of regular continuity contradict the show itself, this is technically not much different from how we treat author interviews that also contradict regular continuity.
 
I have wrote to Cal to comment here but he has yet to respond.

While I do want to hear his point, how long would I have to wait without response before it can be implemented anyways?
 
So many of this comes from "but he never used it!"

If we scrutinized things as heavily as you wanted, Digimon wouldn't be half as OP as it is. You know how many times Lucemon used amanu of his abilities? Or Alphamon using his signature ability? And that wouldn't be the only franchise.
 
That is not the argument, as I already said. The argument is that this powers come from reddit and make absolutly no sense in-canon. The point is, a secondary canon contradicts the main canon, and as such shouldn't be used.

Especially as stuff like his precog isn't exactly turn on/off and is used, just nowhere near as effectively.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
We've used word of god plenty, like the creator of stellaris saying atheism is correct in verse
The rule is that if it contradicts stuff it is not used. This was already pointed out, too.

It contradicts stuff.
 
The real cal howard said:
The rule is that it can't be used if it's baited.
And we can't useit if it's contradicted.


There are multiple rules, and this one was mentioned by Ant, in this thread.
 
By that logic I could argue things like awful hospital shouldn't be 1-B since Doctor Phage is super arrogant and the 80-Dimensional thing is something he said

Which author did the reddit thing again? I don't remember
 
Antvasima said:
Hmm. I think that the OP has a point in that if the abilities mentioned outside of regular continuity contradict the show itself, this is technically not much different from how we treat author interviews that also contradict regular continuity.
This is the argument. If it were stated in show by a reliable source (which, honestly, bill is not) I would have no problems
 
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