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Sans vs The Batter

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Another Sans matchup? Really? Well, at least it's another Indie game character he's fighting. Sans has heard about all the people the Batter has killed and attempts to stop him. All equipment and abilities, no prior knowledge or prep time (aside from Sans' knowledge of the Batter killing people), speed equalized, victory by death. Who wins?
 
It's really hard to say how anyone evil would do against Sans. The Batter comes from a much more traditional RPG, so it's hard to say how easily he could avoid Sans' attacks...

He does have those ring add-ons, though, which give him way more means of attack than Frisk had. Hm.
 
Hmm. I'll have to take a look over their profiles and see what they have considering they have everything but their speed levels are equalized.
 
If their speeds are equalized, Sans' ability to teleport seems like it would be his means of dodging. As long as sans can dodge, then eventually the batter is going to get boned. If we take Sans' teleportation from him for the fight and equalize their speed, Sans' survival time has the limit of 'exactly how long he can read and dodge incoming attacks off The Batter's face', or when he exhausts himself..

KR is in full swing here, as it damages based on sins and LV, which is generated by your detachment and your ability to hurt others, which should mean that sans can do his full damage to an "unfeeling, powerful entity" like The Batter, whose resstance should be far lower than Chara/Frisk's, so we don't have to worry about bypassing resistance here, even though the total damage would be around the same amount, due to sans having ostensibly 1 ATK.

IF The Batter has a soul, then Sans can pin him against the wall ostensibly for as long as he wishes, or the cieling... or the floor, or the other wall. Hampering his mobility is the point, and since Sans' attacks are already considered extremely difficult to dodge, in combination with his Blue Mode, I think he takes this one with relative ease, even with speed equalized.
 
NorthernWind's analysis basically sums it up nicely, except for a couple of things.

One, The Batter has three other entities, Ring Add-Ons, bound to him at any given point in time, so basically he is his own party. I'm fairly certain Sans's stuff is AoE, so he should be able to attack all of them, but given The Batter's cleverness and the fact there are four of him with varying abilities and whatnot he'd need to stay careful on the defensive. Not to mention, if one goes down they can revive each other with items and special abilities and whatnot, plus they can cure each other of ailments (like maybe Blue Mode?)

Two, I'm... actually not sure The Batter has a soul, even. I'm fairly certain they mention something along those lines at some point in the game. Maybe it's just my imagination?

At any rate, it seems really close, not sure who wins...
 
ThePerpetual said:
Two, I'm... actually not sure The Batter has a soul, even. I'm fairly certain they mention something along those lines at some point in the game. Maybe it's just my imagination?
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It occurs to me that Sans would be capable of seeing The Batter as what he actually is, ala The Judge ending of OFF, due to his ability to determine at a glance what someone is like.
 
This much is true. Then again, neither are his "true" form in the sense that one is more false than the other, it's more just a change in perspective, supposedly. OFF is trippy like that.
 
ThePerpetual said:
This much is true. Then again, neither are his "true" form in the sense that one is more false than the other, it's more just a change in perspective, supposedly. OFF is trippy like that.
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Pretty much, which is the reason his stats got rid of the "Bad Batter". It's not a new form, just the player seeing him in a new light (which is very much like Undertale, as well. Hence why I probably like both games so much). Hell, any random mook would probably see the "hero" in most fantasy RPGs as a monster.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
ThePerpetual said:
This much is true. Then again, neither are his "true" form in the sense that one is more false than the other, it's more just a change in perspective, supposedly. OFF is trippy like that.
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Pretty much, which is the reason his stats got rid of the "Bad Batter". It's not a new form, just the player seeing him in a new light (which is very much like Undertale, as well. Hence why I probably like both games so much). Hell, any random mook would probably see the "hero" in most fantasy RPGs as a monster.
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Fair enough. Speed Equalized, I think the advantage comes to Sans through Blue Mode if The Batter has a soul and/or (and if he does, or if he doesn't) the ridiculous amount of AoE Sans' offense has, and just how potent KR is against unfeeling monsters. That's just my take though.
 
If Batter has the Ashley Bat here, he should take it no problem. Sans can dodge, but he can only do it for so long, and it would be especially difficult with FOUR enemies coming in for a kill rather than just 1. That's not mentioning the Ashley Bat's second attack.
 
XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx said:
If Batter has the Ashley Bat here, he should take it no problem. Sans can dodge, but he can only do it for so long, and it would be especially difficult with FOUR enemies coming in for a kill rather than just 1. That's not mentioning the Ashley Bat's second attack.
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the only problem is that KR would tear the batter apart far before he could do anything
 
Squid peanut said:
XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx said:
If Batter has the Ashley Bat here, he should take it no problem. Sans can dodge, but he can only do it for so long, and it would be especially difficult with FOUR enemies coming in for a kill rather than just 1. That's not mentioning the Ashley Bat's second attack.
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the only problem is that KR would tear the batter apart far before he could do anything
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Batters has addons, insane health, and plenty of tricks up his sleeve. Not including the fact his addons are capable of reviving each other, or taking hits for the Batter himself.
 
Well, I'd say this needs re-looking at now that the OFF buffs have been implemented, but I guess stats really don't matter in this fight... I guess the powers have been expanded on a bit?
 
ThePerpetual said:
Well, I'd say this needs re-looking at now that the OFF buffs have been implemented, but I guess stats really don't matter in this fight... I guess the powers have been expanded on a bit?
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Doesn't Batter blitz now?
 
WarriorWare said:
ThePerpetual said:
Well, I'd say this needs re-looking at now that the OFF buffs have been implemented, but I guess stats really don't matter in this fight... I guess the powers have been expanded on a bit?
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Doesn't Batter blitz now?
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I dunno, is MFTL greater than instantaneous?
 
Reaction speed is a thing. Teleportation is planned movement, and the decision is made before you budge. You get there without actually moving at all. Teleportation never scales to a character's reactions unless they are teleporting out of the way of something incredibly fast.

An Abra can't teleport out of the way of an incoming Superman because he lacks the reactions necessary to do so. Same goes for Sans dodging The Batter.
 
Penguinkingpin said:
WarriorWare said:
ThePerpetual said:
Well, I'd say this needs re-looking at now that the OFF buffs have been implemented, but I guess stats really don't matter in this fight... I guess the powers have been expanded on a bit?
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Doesn't Batter blitz now?
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I dunno, is MFTL greater than instantaneous?
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And to provie my arguement why Sans is a speedster, his speed is instantaneous, the smallest measurement of time that is considered an instant is Planck Time which is used to measure how fast light moves in a vacuum, it's value in decimals 10 to the negate 44th power, this is billions possibly trillions times faster than a nanosecond, which is what the Flash is able move at.
 
I did. but the two examples you provided were....very abritrary, an abra, who is argueably one of the frailest pokemon against Superman, the wankedman. Also, check to see some of the enemies that Sans has fought, not there speed value, but their attack value, he fought Chara who is stronger than Undyne the Undying and Mettaton Neo.
 
Batter wins via speed, Sans has instanteous teleportation, not reactions (The Abra example is pretty much this battle). @Penguin

Not that it matters... Speed is equalized....
 
Penguinkingpin said:
I did. but the two examples you provided were....very abritrary, an abra, who is argueably one of the frailest pokemon against Superman, the wankedman. Also, check to see some of the enemies that Sans has fought, not there speed value, but their attack value, he fought Chara who is stronger than Undyne the Undying and Mettaton Neo.
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MFTL Superman is not wank. Sans is the frailest enemy in Undertale, and flat-out stated to be so. He's slower than The Batter, so guess what? Like, I could've said Shadow and my point would still stand.

Equalizing speed is a pretty weird concept for someone like Sans. The #1 way to beat him is to be fast enough to land a hit.

I don't see your point with drawing comparisons to who Sans has fought, given that he still can't take more than one hit from any of them. The Ashley Bat hitting twice should pretty much seal the deal for The Batter.

By the way, I hate the idea of The Batter killing Sans as much as you do. I don't just side with my favorite.
 
WarriorWare said:
Penguinkingpin said:
I did. but the two examples you provided were....very abritrary, an abra, who is argueably one of the frailest pokemon against Superman, the wankedman. Also, check to see some of the enemies that Sans has fought, not there speed value, but their attack value, he fought Chara who is stronger than Undyne the Undying and Mettaton Neo.
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MFTL Superman is not wank. Sans is the frailest enemy in Undertale, and flat-out stated to be so. He's slower than The Batter, so guess what? Like, I could've said Shadow and my point would still stand.
Equalizing speed is a pretty weird concept for someone like Sans. The #1 way to beat him is to be fast enough to land a hit.

I don't see your point with drawing comparisons to who Sans has fought, given that he still can't take more than one hit from any of them. The Ashley Bat hitting twice should pretty much seal the deal for The Batter.

By the way, I hate the idea of The Batter killing Sans as much as you do. I don't just side with my favorite.
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Ok, speed equalized, how is the batter going to hit Sans if Sans is teleporting or teleporting the batter into the line of sight of some gaster blasters.
 
With speed equalized, Sans strategically uses his teleportation and spatial manipulation to bone The Batter much like he did Chara-possessed Frisk and apparently Flowey in canon.

That should allow him to get off Karmic Retribution. Besides, the amount of bones he can create and attack with coupled with copious gasterblasters will ensure that The Batter will have a bad time, as, remember, he isn't limited in his abilities here. It's well in his ability to surround a character with bones or gasterblasters for an omnidirectional attack.

If the very same knife that went on to destroy reality, a non-solid object like most seem to make the excuse of Frisk/Chara doing can be swung at Sans and he dodges it without being effected by it literally destroying the matter around it, then suffice to say, "1 HP" is bogus, nevermind the fact he TAKES one of these hits head on amd doesn't instantly die like the rest of the cast. He actually lasts the longest after being hit/enduring the final blow, with maybe Undyne the Undying being his only competition since it took a short amount of time for her to melt and then finally get erased.

I know I'll probably be accused of wank or whatever but this is my belief. Hell, it even lists his durability as questionable, and even if his attacks are the weakest in the game, they still dealt damage to a character who went on to perform a multiversal feat. I'm pretty sure that to even chip a piece off of a multiversal character's skin requires similar AP or at the very least, universal to multi-universal AP. Karmic Retribution does indeed do most of the damage. Keyword? Most.

If speed weren't equalized? I'd be all in support of The Batter since he'd be able to constantly heal himself even if he got hit amd inflict status ailments of his own on our dear boy Sans. Besides, then we could just have a simple case of The Batter using his speed to dodge everything Sams throws at him and tire Sans out. Plus, his AP and Durability are both VERY questionable and hard to pinpoint as it is, even if I'm in favor of it being the other way.

There's also his existence erasing and many other hax he's got going for him and in general just has MUCH more stuff to work with.

Tl;dr: My statement on this fight is that Sans wins with speed equalized and without speed equalized The Batter would win, given both of their current stats and without any personal beliefs mixed in.
 
If the batter is at the peak of his equipment, level, and addons, and speed is equalized, the batter would still win in one hit. The Ashley Bat, the most powerful weapon in OFF, has a statistic that ignores enemy evasion. It would be impossible for Sans to dodge even a basic melee attack from The batter with this weapon. The problem is, Sans would likely get the first attack like he did against Chara, but Off and Undertale have very different battle systems (I'm not sure if game mechanics count, but even if they do it doesn't make much of a difference). The Batter's addons can heal and revive him, so even if Sans manages to get past all that HP and Defense and kill the batter or one one of his addons, Another addon can simply get the fallen comrade back up, making Sans's efforts all for naught. And even if by some improbable means Sans did manage to kill the batter where his addons could not revive him, Add on Epsilon actually has attack of multiple impacts in a single strike, meaning that as long as either Epsilon or The Batter are still standing, Sans is screwed. Sans may not be able to even incapacitate the Batter and his addons, since their HP is in the hundreds and his attacks were used against someone with just under 100.

A final thing to mention is that the batter is a being of "Purity", so he would probably be immune to Karmatic Retribution. Here is how the fight would probably go down.

Sans launches his main attack, but the batter and his addons either dodge or tank the damage. The batter swings his Ashley bat, or Epsilon attack with a multiple impact attack, and boom. Sans is dead.

It may seem one sided, because it is. The batter is a very powerful being, and something beyond what sans can handle.
 
SomebodyData said:
Batter wins via speed, Sans has instanteous teleportation, not reactions (The Abra example is pretty much this battle). @Penguin
Not that it matters... Speed is equalized....
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Wut? Sans does not have good reaction speed?
 
Are you kidding me sans is the type of guy who could dodge beerus in thread about beerus vs sans (speed wasn't equalized)
 
Huesito88 said:
Are you kidding me sans is the type of guy who could dodge beerus in thread about beerus vs sans (speed wasn't equalized)
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Wow,calm down.I think the adventage that sans had on beerus was the teleport.I agree that sans is not fast like the batter but with teleport he should do it.Sans has a great reaction speed ,when he dodged while he was sleeping lol.
 
WarriorWare said:
Reaction speed is a thing. Teleportation is planned movement, and the decision is made before you budge. You get there without actually moving at all. Teleportation never scales to a character's reactions unless they are teleporting out of the way of something incredibly fast.
An Abra can't teleport out of the way of an incoming Superman because he lacks the reactions necessary to do so. Same goes for Sans dodging The Batter.
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Heya ,just wanted to know why sans doesnt have the reaction to just teleport away from The batter,because sans dodged while was sleeping.Another thing is the fact that frisk speed is immeasurable?so sans is faster than that, wut?
 
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