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Battle off overdeveloped Magical Girls

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Make this base Mami and it would probably be more fair.

Doppel Mami just mind haxes/reality warps
 
As it is, it could go either way. If Togo focuses on defense, Mami won't be able to effectively hit her and decrease her gauge. And if Togo's gauge doesn't decrease, she won't become vulnerable to getting killed. Entering a KO state isn't enough for Mami to win as Heroes always recover from it under 1 minute. Mami would have to land 5 clean KOing/killing attacks on Togo (at a moment Togo isn't focusing on defense, where even then the Fairies automatically block any attack and their AP is nearly on par; the AP of Heroes is above baseline) before she can land a 6th one to kill her. That, all the while getting through the auto-replenishing nature of the gauge that happens as long as Togo is in combat. So it would a lot of effort from Mami to kill Togo. On the other hand, Mami is quite more experienced and skilled than Togo, and considering she's good enough to go against both Sakura and Homura, she'd be able to against Togo without much trouble and since this is Hero Togo and not her Mankai form, she can't spam attacks nearly as much as Mami.
 
And before anyone asks, since the mission of Heroes is literally to defend the world, they are used to focus on defense before retaliating hard. So yes, Togo is likely to focus on defense when faced with Mami's barrage of projectiles.
 
As this is Hero Chapter Togo (YuYuShou), her immortality/invulnerability has limits. She has access to Teleportation however, so she could escape Mami's ribbons
 
GoldenScorpions said:
As this is Hero Chapter Togo (YuYuShou), her immortality/invulnerability has limits. She has access to Teleportation however, so she could escape Mami's ribbons
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Mami ribbons has power null elements that can easily bypass Magical girl power null resistance. Once Mami catch Togo, she is done for. Also, what is this defense are you talking about? Is it a barrier or something?.

Also, if Mami can still kills Tpgo, then Mami should takes this fight pretty easily due to far superior skills, more versatile abilities (Such as Barrier bypassing attack, power null ribbons which also has High 7-A Dura so Togo isn't destroying it, Clone who is as powerful as the original that is also hard to tell which one is the original, and also omni-directional attack reflection that can reflects a barrier bypassing attack pretty easily which also can sent back a High 7-A attack).
 
Homu Sweet Homu said:
what is this defense are you talking about? Is it a barrier or something?
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Just read her profile, everything's there.

Homu Sweet Homu said:
power null ribbons which also has High 7-A Dura so Togo isn't destroying it
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Her profile says that ribbon shields are High 7-A, aka many ribbons tied together. Individual ribbons don't have as much durability.
 
Also, even if Mami's profile says "can bypass forcefields and barriers with attacks", she ain't bypassing a 3-A forcefield, which is what Togo has passively. As long as Togo's gauge isn't empty, she can't die.
 
The ribbons themselves can have High 7-A dura yeah. It's "High 7-A with ribbon shields" because the regular ribbons are variable.

Mami simply modifies their density based on what is needed at any given moment.

Also @Homu I wouldn't scale Mami's hax from Madoka, but then again I doubt that barrier bypassing is influenced by durability to begin with
 
@Homu Read her powers/abilities section...

Fairies protection


The only difference in Hero Chapter is the nerf those got, as explained in the Attacks section.
 
The "from at least Mountain level to Large Country level" part is only about getting KO'ed which, like I said previously, she can recover from in a matter of seconds
 
Yeah but, has the fairies block a barrier bypassing attack before? The btpassing part doesn't even affected the barrier dura in the first place anyway.
 
Btw from what I gathered, Mami probably has higher AP.

Mimori (one shot)>>> Vertexes (much stronger)>>> Stardusts (shrugs off)>>> strongest nukes = 50 megatons

Mami (one shot)>>> False Kyoko (much stronger)>>> Ophelia (much stronger)>>> Kyoko's dura (comparable to the AP of someone who deflected those attacks easily) > Patricia's AP >>> 50 megatons (performed the feat merely by existing)

She can still one shot Mami ofc, but with that in mind she isn't getting past her shields or breaking free from her ribbons through AP (given that her ribbons are way more durable than her own attacks)
 
Fair point. Mami's dura is significantly lower than Mimori's AP, but those ribbons seem to have enough dura to avoid getting ripped by Mimori. I feel like Mimori might be able to eventually break them, but she'd need several hits since you'd said on the YuYuYu thread that the AP of Heroes is likely mid-end 7-A but would stay "At least 7-A" due to lack of quantifiable power. So a (possibly) 7-A+ could break a High 7-A dura eventually, but not anytime soon, and I'd say Mami's skilled and experienced enough not to let herself unguarded and replace broken ribbons...

I think my only remaining question would be if Mami would start with ribbon protection? From what I've seen of her in fights, she usually spams bullets from her summoned guns, and doesn't start with ribbons immediately (unless I remember wrong from the anime). Since Mami wouldn't be aware of Mimori being able to tear through her regular dura at the start of the fight, would that leave a chance for Mimori to land a hit by using her teleportation all around and spam sniper shots or not?
 
The thing is that if Mami has the AP advantage, the ribbons are inherently too durable for Mimori to break them in a reasonable amount of time, because Ribbons dura > False Mami's AP >>> Candeloro's AP >>> Mami's AP >>> Mimori's AP.

Mami always takes for granted that opponents can one shot her because, well, basically everyone can.

It's also perfectly in character for her to simply try to incapacitate with ribbons (against Homura, Kyoko, Gertrud, Charlotte, False Mami & Kyoko, tried it on Kirika and the Moshka Wraith).

Even more so if the opponent is a fellow magical girl, which she would definitely try to beat in a non-lethal fashion if possible.
 
Hadn't even thought about Mami's desire to get along/not harm other magical girls, had forgotten. Good point. And yeah, Mami vs Homura was a thing, so Mami can handle other gun users.

How is the incap precisely? Are the ribbons simply around the target, unattached anywhere else (which would let him still move around), or does Mami actually hold the reins of the ribbons (preventing complete movement, and allowing Mami to still shoot with her free hand?
 
Hmm. This is actually really hard for me to gauge. Both sides have given sufficient information that Mami could beat Togo and vice versa. I'll withhold my vote until I see more.
 
The only way for Togo to beat Mami is to shoot her between the ribbons, which would be hard to do. It'd be a one-shot if the attack lands, but considering Mami's experience, it seems unlikely she'd been taken off-guard (then again, she got fooled by Charlotte). Maybe a teleport-spam would work? Still seems very hard.
 
I mean Togo has been in the Hero game for a couple of years. I think people are underestimating her experience when she and Mami have been doing what they've been doing for a similar amount of time. Togo is also specifically trained to use long-range weapons like her rifle, so I don't think she'd be pinned down by Mami so easily. Although that's not to say she'd have an easy time taking Mami down either, cuz Mami is basically the queen of defense considering how significant the difference between what she can dish and what she can take is. That's why I'm having such a problem deciding who I think would ultimately win in the end.
 
I was just thinking about experiences of the girls actually, nice coincidence there. I realized Togo actually has significant experience and has had intense training back in WaSuYu. Even with just her sniper in Hero Chapter, she's still more than capable of holding her own against Vertexes and spam shots. And since she has access to teleportation in this key, she can escape the ribbons before they catch her... Ofc, if Togo is caught, it'll be kind a wrap
 
Even with the gap between Togo's AP and the ribbons' dura, how long would it take for Togo to break free if she gets caught: I'd believe she'd eventually manage to do so. If it's within a day, it won't be a win for Mami.
 
The ribbons are too durable for Togo to break. Doesn't matter how hard or how long she tried, she will never breaks free from them. It is like saying I tried to cut a steel with a knife and no matter how long I tried, I will never be able to cut it with a frigging knife.

Also, someone with cross-city wide magic detection (Who also has the knowledge of what Mami can do and even more experienced than Mami herself) cannot even escape from the ribbons, what makes you think Togo would be able to escape it?
 
GoldenScorpions said:
How is the incap precisely? Are the ribbons simply around the target, unattached anywhere else (which would let him still move around), or does Mami actually hold the reins of the ribbons (preventing complete movement, and allowing Mami to still shoot with her free hand?
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They are actually anchored to stuff around them.

Togo can't attack or move while the ribbons are binding her btw (They inflict a status effect that does that).

Also doubt that experience would help Togo if Homura was still defeated despite having over a decade of prior knowledge.
 
Homu Sweet Homu said:
The ribbons are too durable for Togo to break. Doesn't matter how hard or how long she tried, she will never breaks free from them. It is like saying I tried to cut a steel with a knife and no matter how long I tried, I will never be able to cut it with a frigging knife.
Also, someone with cross-city wide magic detection (Who also has the knowledge of what Mami can do and even more experienced than Mami herself) cannot even escape from the ribbons, what makes you think Togo would be able to escape it?
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Hey, I was just thinking potential ways for Togo to get around it, nothing more. If she can't, too bad she can't. No need to get on my ass about it :/ I'm not well-versed in the Madokaverse, so I didn't know about the cross-city thing or the ribbon dura or most of everything said. Only watched the anime, not even the movies
 
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