Mami vs Kessler

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

So after Cole Macgrath vs Mami ended up getting closed for revisions and never getting redone, this should have happened already, but then again no one wants Kessler to take an L.

Magical Girl Mami as always, aside from that SBA unless there's a distance issue.

Kessler:

Mami Tomoe:

Inconclusive: 7

DMB_1 · May 28, 2018

Mami For Reasons Below

Thatoneguy78 · May 28, 2018

Kessler FRA

Arrogant_Schmuck · May 28, 2018

Mami for reasons above

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

Oh dear.

DMB_1 · May 28, 2018

Well, you said it was going to be a torture, not me.

Saikou_The_Lewd_King · May 28, 2018

Dat Elma tho

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

This isn't torture, I don't mind people repeatedly bumping a thread.

I just want some debate.

BTW addressing this real fast before I get some shit I am debating a bit in this thread but I have no idea who wins.

Kaltias · May 28, 2018

The Phantasms go away if you shoot at then, right?

That's probably the most threatening thing for Mami, mostly because if she is defenseless even for a few seconds, Kessler just reduces her to ashes

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

Yeah the Phantasms are way to slow for her to not be able to counter them at range, up close in CQC will be an issue since she doesn't know about their mind attack.

Memory injection is still a valid mindscrew technique

PTSOXMONKEY99 · May 28, 2018

Mfw I suggested Kessler vs Mami way back when

Anyway, Phantasms and Memory Inject are probably Kessler's best bet here, as most of his other stuff gets countered pretty hard

Stat amping and regen counter his AP, regen null counters regen (duh), bypassing attacks will bypass his shields (again, duh), and she can reflect his attacks back at him.

Though, his durability and endurance may help him out, as he was able to withstand a bunch of attacks from a pissed off Cole, who is ridiculously high into M+, and could with stand his Lightning Storm for a bit, which is many times stronger than his normal attacks. But I think her flames may counter this as well.

However, she won't know that touching the clones will cause mindscrew, so he has the advantage of surprise, but they're really slow, and she usually uses ranged attacks, doesn't she (haven't watch PM, despite my friend bugging me to). However, Kessler doesn't just summon the clones and lets them do all the work, he also keeps on the pressure with his ranged attacks, so he could possibly distract her long enough for one of the clones to get the drop on her, or use his clones and summons to distract her enough to get up close and memory inject.

What's her telekinesis and lifting strength like? Cause it may be possible for Kessler to rag doll her into one of his clones of he needs to.

Also, paradoxing is an option.

Also, what's going with speed? Equalized or nah?

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

Speed isn't equal due to 4KM distance and Mami facing people around albeit slightly slower then Kessler and wins

PTSOXMONKEY99 · May 28, 2018

Well that helps Kessler a little bit, as his MHS+ was done pretty casually, and even when he was on the brink of death, he could blitz Cole, who is in the MHS+ range just like himself. Also, he can probably use precision like Cole to boost his reaction and attack speed (Tho I still think it's time manipulation ƒÿñƒÿñƒÿñ)

Also, really great match, I feel like we can get a good debate outta this one

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

I'm geniunely expecting this to be an inconclusive TBH, Mami can blast him or get him with a decently placed Ribbon Trap but if push comes to shove Kessler has a massive CQC advantage snd can one shot.

DMUA · May 28, 2018

Ribbon Phantasms Good Game

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

Kessler dodges

DMUA · May 28, 2018

Look very closely at what I just said.

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

Ribbon the phantasms

That doesn't necessarily mean GG tho

DMUA · May 28, 2018

That moment when the joke flies over a dude's head.

You see, I'm mixing Ribbion Traps and Phantasms to be funny.

Now that you understand my ingenious humor, L A U G H M O N G R E L, L A U G H

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

I seriously don't understand why you're not allowed to delete posts on your own thread.

Kaltias · May 28, 2018

Btw Mami's telekinesis doesn't come even close to Kessler.

Granted if he tosses her into a Phantasm, she can just use ribbons to stab it beforehand (those things can be weapons too you know)

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

I hate to be that guy but getting tossed at MHS+ speed may make that a bit difficult

But TBH Phantasms aren't much more dangerous then Dupes from Kyoko

DMUA · May 28, 2018

Yeah.

Though, considering Kessler's good advantage in speed, his AP advantage, TK and everything else, I'll side with him for now, though he'll be bound to have difficulties.

Kaltias · May 28, 2018

Kessler's advantage in speed is like, marginal though? Same for AP.

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

I think he means how he one shots Mami due to his AP

Which isn't really wrong due to her Dura but at the same time her Ribbon shields are more then versatile enough.

PTSOXMONKEY99 · May 28, 2018

I thought they were both Mountain+?

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

Mami has 7C Dura

DMUA · May 28, 2018

Kaltias said:
Kessler's advantage in speed is like, marginal though? Same for AP.

It's still existant, and would give Mami some trouble. TK is a big part though.

PTSOXMONKEY99 · May 28, 2018

Ah, I was literally looking at the wrong key.

Kessler is around 1.9x faster, but both are probably faster than their calculated speeds....

Kaltias · May 28, 2018

Mami is actually only marginally above the feat, when it comes to her own speed.

It's simply that she doesn't need to be as fast as an opponent to snipe them, and she has AoE.

Kyoko blitzes people who would blitz Mami, and the latter still won.

She kept up for a while with someone who blitzed Kyoko, while fighting from a distance, so there is that too.

Schnee_One · May 28, 2018

Kaltias said:
She kept up for a while with someone who blitzed Kyoko, while fighting from a distance, so there is that too.

Kessler blitzed BoG Cole, so he should be faster then the feat by a good margin

4KM distance is still a thing however

PTSOXMONKEY99 · May 28, 2018

Will attack reflection work on her attacks or nah?

Kaltias · May 29, 2018

DMUA said:
It's still existant, and would give Mami some trouble. TK is a big part though.

Yeah but it's nowhere near as big as it would need to be in order make a difference.

Ribbons can help if he slams her into the ground btw. She can use them as a pillow or something to avoid getting splattered by the impact

Gargoyle One said:
Kessler blitzed BoG Cole, so he should be faster then the feat by a good margin

4KM distance is still a thing however

But Kessler is the one with the MHS+ feat, not Cole.

Even then my point was that Kessler >>>> Cole = casual Kessler = Mach 1191.

Kyoko > Oktavia >>> Sayaka >>> Homura = Mach 619. The speed gap really isn't bigger, and Mami kept up woth Kyoko just fine.

She was getting blitzed in CQC, but it isn't like she is likely to fight in melee to begin with.

Also, Mami has speed amps.

PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
Will attack reflection work on her attacks or nah?

It would. False Madoka used attack reflection on False Mami's (Who is literally Mami but with enhanched stats) attacks, and it worked just fine

Schnee_One · May 29, 2018

It's not actually, although I could have sworn I put it on his page.

Cole is able to channel and control of his own and natural lightning perfectly fine. And even light conduits are able to dodge his normal blasts.

That said, @Monkey wasn't their a recall of Kessler's feat?

PTSOXMONKEY99 · May 29, 2018

Do you mean a recalc? I think so, by Spin, but I don't know what happened to it

PTSOXMONKEY99 · May 29, 2018

Found the calc btw

DMUA · May 29, 2018

Wasn't the original Mach 1440?

Schnee_One · May 29, 2018

Nope, Mach 1192

Kessler should be faster as Cole by BoG should be HS+ for being able to control natural lightning, and Kessler blitzed him without even flash stepping.

Still, Mami wins against people much faster then her all the time.

DMUA · May 29, 2018

Are they really all that faster if she can actually comprehend their movements?

Schnee_One · May 29, 2018

Umm.

Have you looked at the profiles?

Kyoko Sakura, Sayaka Miki

Plenty of them are faster while still losing to her

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